Cont: Brexit: Now What? Magic 8 Ball's up

[GlennB]

I seriously have trouble understanding this. The majority of parliament seems to still support Johnson and I'm not seeing the majority party coming out against this.

As an American, I thought the appeal of a parliamentary system was the ability of the majority coalition to execute their agenda. Johnson seems to be working within what the majority finds acceptable.

Why is it producing responses like this?

How on earth can we know? And 'their agenda' never included forcing through a no-deal Brexit, with or without the help of extreme procedural shenanigans. Brexit was sold on the back of promises to strike a good deal and now we face a catastrophic no-deal scenario.

 

[BobTheCoward]

How would we know what the majority finds acceptable?

Same as everything these days, Twitter.

None showed up to that corbyn conference about this the other day.

There are plenty of avenues for the 330 to express dissatisfaction.

 

[ceptimus]

ceptimus has deducted the days off for the conference season - although parliament could have voted to suspend that - and the 'don't normally sit on a Friday' days, though they could have suspended that too.

You don't really think that MPs would have voted to cancel their conferences do you? They enjoy getting together with all their friends and backers - and with a general election looming they will be keener to have their conferences than usual.

You'll note that they didn't vote to give up their holiday from 26th July through to September 2nd - that's how important they thought the "crisis" was a month ago.

If they weren't so lazy, they would hold all the conferences at the same time rather than spacing them out - and, of course, what's to stop them holding the conferences during one of the many parliamentary recesses they already take? As they do every year, they've just taken the whole of August off.

 

[ponderingturtle]

How on earth can we know? And 'their agenda' never included forcing through a no-deal Brexit, with or without the help of extreme procedural shenanigans. Brexit was sold on the back of promises to strike a good deal and now we face a catastrophic no-deal scenario.

Come on, no one believed that ridiculous propaganda they were spouting, everyone knew this is what it would come down to and that is what they voted for.

 

[BobTheCoward]

How on earth can we know? And 'their agenda' never included forcing through a no-deal Brexit, with or without the help of extreme procedural shenanigans. Brexit was sold on the back of promises to strike a good deal and now we face a catastrophic no-deal scenario.

As I said previously, a conservative MP could tweet something negative, or attend a Corbyn press conference. There are many ways to get out the word that they oppose what is going on.

 

[GlennB]

'Habitual resident' simply means spending more than half the year in the UK, even if only by one day. (Six month plus one day. And maybe one more for luck.)

And yet May/Hammond assured expats that any loss of reciprocal care could be fixed by the expat simply returning to the UK for treatment. Hmmm.

Then there's the fact that applying the 183 day rule leaves Brits with no routine NHS treatment in their new country of residence, i.e. the UK, for 6 months.

 

[Craig B]

Its being reported in Scotland that Ruth Davidson is away to resign as leader of the Tories in Scotland. That would be a big problem for them I think. And another positive step towards Indy.

According to the BBC Ruth is of a different opinion. Her resignation is intended as a defence of the Union.

Sources have told the BBC Ms Davidson and Mr Mundell have made it clear they would resign if Northern Ireland faces new controls that separate it from the rest of the UK - because that could fuel the case for Scottish independence.​

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Same as everything these days, Twitter.

None showed up to that corbyn conference about this the other day.

There are plenty of avenues for the 330 to express dissatisfaction.

We dont run the government via twitter

 

[BobTheCoward]

We dont run the government via twitter

Don't tell me, tell Corbyn and Johnson. They paint a clear picture of what they support and don't from their Twitter

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

According to the BBC Ruth is of a different opinion. Her resignation is intended as a defence of the Union.

Sources have told the BBC Ms Davidson and Mr Mundell have made it clear they would resign if Northern Ireland faces new controls that separate it from the rest of the UK - because that could fuel the case for Scottish independence.​

She might well think that but she is a popular politician in Scotland and the bench to replace her from is mostly nonentities, weirdos and zoomers.

When there is Indyref 2 I would much rather Murdo Fraser or Jackson Carlaw is leading the opposition to it in Scotland than Davidson.

 

[Vixen]

And yet May/Hammond assured expats that any loss of reciprocal care could be fixed by the expat simply returning to the UK for treatment. Hmmm.

Then there's the fact that applying the 183 day rule leaves Brits with no routine NHS treatment in their new country of residence, i.e. the UK, for 6 months.

They are good at not advertising the full story. For example, they told EU-citizens in the UK that all they would need for settlement status was their passport and an online application form.

Not so. They had to provide proof of residence for all the years here including bills and all sorts of documents. A German friend of mine who has been in the UK for decades and had 'Indefinite Leave to Remain' was told the Home Office had no record of this. (Thankfully, being German she had kept all her records and was able to dig the document out.)

The government's 'reassurances' are not worth the paper - or bandwidth - they are written on.

I went to a Brexit consultation arranged by an EU-embassy and co-chaired with an expert on residency law and it was truly daunting to hear all the hoops the EU citizens - some here for many years - are expected to jump through.

 

[GlennB]

As I said previously, a conservative MP could tweet something negative, or attend a Corbyn press conference. There are many ways to get out the word that they oppose what is going on.

Ah, but then we'd need a tweet count, ayes vs. noes

Are you all right? You're posting ridiculous stuff here.

 

[ceptimus]

They are good at not advertising the full story. For example, they told EU-citizens in the UK that all they would need for settlement status was their passport and an online application form.

Not so. They had to provide proof of residence for all the years here including bills and all sorts of documents.

Not true for the majority of applicants: about three-quarters of them only had to provide their passport or ID card data; the remaining 27% were asked to provide additional documentation.

 

[GlennB]

The government's 'reassurances' are not worth the paper - or bandwidth - they are written on.

I fully agree, and with the rest of your post too (snipped for brevity).

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Don't tell me, tell Corbyn and Johnson. They paint a clear picture of what they support and don't from their Twitter

That's 2 of 650.

We know Dominic Grieve opposes it. So that's the working majority of 1 gone.

Do I just need to find one more Tory opposing it publicly for you to go away?

Philip Hammond is on the news right now condeming it.

There you go the majority are opposed. Bye.

 

[Vixen]

Not true for the majority of applicants: about three-quarters of them only had to provide their passport or ID card data; the remaining 27% were asked to provide additional documentation.

Well, the advertisement was BANNED as 'misleading'. Says it all. Your own government deliberately misleading you.

 

[ceptimus]

Well, the advertisement was BANNED as 'misleading'. Says it all. Your own government deliberately misleading you.

I think it shows remain bias on the part of the part of the advertising watchdog.

Anyway, another example of remainers kicking up a fuss over not much. To comply with the watchdog's ruling, the government merely needs to change the wording to say, "For most applicants, only a passport is needed"

 

[BobTheCoward]

That's 2 of 650.

We know Dominic Grieve opposes it. So that's the working majority of 1 gone.

Do I just need to find one more Tory opposing it publicly for you to go away?

Philip Hammond is on the news right now condeming it.

There you go the majority are opposed. Bye.

Unless you have a system with undeveloped reporting of whipping, I'm not sure where the difficulty is. In the US, it is a fairly standard process for reporters to report on the where legislatures are leaning and to count them on potential issues. What am I missing? Why does the press lack a sense of where conservative MPs stand on this?

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I think it shows remain bias on the part of the part of the advertising watchdog.

Zoomer.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Unless you have a system with undeveloped reporting of whipping, I'm not sure where the difficulty is. In the US, it is a fairly standard process for reporters to report on the where legislatures are leaning and to count them on potential issues. What am I missing? Why does the press lack a sense of where conservative MPs stand on this?

The only person who lacks a sense of anything here is you. You are the one claiming the majority supports this move. I just showed you you are wrong and you move on without missing a step to more nonsense.