Thanks. I do look forward to seeing it. I have mostly removed schadenfreude from my life but these truthers are an exception. Like when I was going back and forth with Dylan Avery’s alleged charity guy; the sheer corruption and incompetence just fascinated me. Also they are evil.
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Merged Hulsey presents research arguing WTC7 not brought down by fires/University of Alaska
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Thanks. I do look forward to seeing it. I have mostly removed schadenfreude from my life but these truthers are an exception. Like when I was going back and forth with Dylan Avery’s alleged charity guy; the sheer corruption and incompetence just fascinated me. Also they are evil.
Fonebone
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Au Contraire ! Dr. Hulsey appears to thoroughly understand the demonstration of Galileo at the Tower of Pisa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kv-U5tjNCY
Hulsey's point is unless every column and the concrete core failed at the exact same instant the WTC7 could not
have come down without a twisting and/or leaning chaotically .
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ozeco41
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Hulsey may have shown that he is incompetent at fundamental logic and probably not very good at engineering applied physics...
BUT I doubt that even he would make such a silly claim. And certainly NOT as a straw-man premise asserting what happend at WTC7.
ozeco41
Philosopher
That is typical of the junior high school level wrong physics we see from truthers.
It is hard to see how ANY competent professional engineer would make those silly assertions - even if they were deliberately watering down the explanation to present to school children. If the presentation was for school kids the most important aspect would be to explain why those truther style false understandings were WRONG.
Venom
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9/11 truth nuts can't figure out hulsey is nuts
What? Did you watch the video of the collapse? The Penthouse section falls into WTC 7 due to internal failure. Thus 9/11 truth nuts and Hulsey have no clue what happened as Hulsey makes up BS based on ignornace.
Fire caused the collapse. 19 terrorists are solely responsible for the murdered people on 9/11. The NYPD, and other first responders are responsible for saving lives and trying to save more as they died.
Thus, 9/11 truth nuts and Hulsey are not able to grasp reality as they spread lies and disrespect those killed due to the acts of 19 failed humans fooled by UBL to kill Americans (USA people), when and where UBL could.
Hulsey is a failed engineer, and only fools those who can't figure out 9/11 after 18 years. In 18 years 9/11 truth followers, aka nuts, could have earned a PhD in engineering and see Hulsey is nuts on 9/11.
What? Did you watch the video of the collapse? The Penthouse section falls into WTC 7 due to internal failure. Thus 9/11 truth nuts and Hulsey have no clue what happened as Hulsey makes up BS based on ignornace.
Fire caused the collapse. 19 terrorists are solely responsible for the murdered people on 9/11. The NYPD, and other first responders are responsible for saving lives and trying to save more as they died.
Thus, 9/11 truth nuts and Hulsey are not able to grasp reality as they spread lies and disrespect those killed due to the acts of 19 failed humans fooled by UBL to kill Americans (USA people), when and where UBL could.
Hulsey is a failed engineer, and only fools those who can't figure out 9/11 after 18 years. In 18 years 9/11 truth followers, aka nuts, could have earned a PhD in engineering and see Hulsey is nuts on 9/11.
Cosmic Yak
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I think I may have missed the post where you reveal your own expertise and qualifications in the relevant fields.
Would you mind linking to it?
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Since direct observations tell us that this was not the case, if he really wants to make this point, he is just wrong.
But I am sure you misconstrue his point.
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Would he be any less wrong if his credentials were world-class stellar?
Safe-Keeper
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That looks like something written by Trump.Hulsey said:
"at an angle or rotate or any number of things", "there are things going on", "centroid is not in the middle". I can tell they have a PhD.
Cosmic Yak
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No, but it might at least be possible for the engineers on this forum to have a semi-intelligent debate with him about it. Right now, fonebone is relying on hubristic ignorance as his foundation. No amount of factual input will change this, as he either doesn't know, or doesn't understand, enough about the subject to be able to make an informed assessment.
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It's strange that he missed that the building actually DID rotate and fall and various angles. Oh, and that things went on!
Fonebone
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Exhibit A Neat pile of debris of WTC7 lying in it's own footprint
Exhibit B WTC7 pent-house falling through the path of greatest resistance due to "internal failure"
creating a enormous white dust cloud that covered the WTC complex as the 47 story collapsed into a neat pile.
Exhibit C Obligatory invectives and technical flapdoodle debunking attempt......
bknight
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Fonebone that image indicates to me that there was twisting and rotating as the building collapsed. So Hulsey is still wrong after 18 years and you haven't a clue.
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The collapse of WTC7 caused extensive damage to at least two buildings, including Fitterman Hall which was not salvageable. How does that happen if the building "collapsed in its own footprint"?
bknight
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From only looking at one piece of evidence (the image presented) and looking no further for other possible explanations.
heymatto70
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Even his own pictures aren't showing a "neat pile". Everything looks twisted and damaged. When I think of a neat pile, I think of a stack of papers that I get from the copier. Those pics looked like chaos.
Fonebone
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Some of these questions were addressed in this post ...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7378798#post7378798
and the subject was thoroughly examined in this thread...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214226
Oh? lol, 2 acres of WTC towers trashed 19 acres of NYC. You addressed these issues by cherry picking. 19 acres are not their own footprints, but is a tagline to fool gullible followers. A footprint is one acre, not 19. You lost this math quiz, better luck with Bigfoot, a real footprint scam. I don't thinks you understand footprint. oops, you forgot the buildings damaged by WTC tower debris - Are those buildings in WTC towers' footprint? that is funny
What does it mean? oops, fire caused the collapse, a gravity collapse.
The best part of your stuff. Showing WTC 7 all over a street, and calling the street, the building footprint. Did you mean to lie or was it a mistake?
The WTC complex damage caused by two planes hitting the WTC with the impact energy equal to 2093 pounds of TNT, and was it 1600 pounds - like two big bombs but the energy was delivered as a kinetic energy impact - then thousands of gallons of jet fuel started the biggest office fires in seconds in history. And you ignore that fires caused the collapse of the towers and WTC 7. You don't understand science, physics, fire, and steel.
What about symmetry? There are more 9/11 truth dumbed down taglines to support. What about like a knife through butter?
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Allen773
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beachnut, you’re forgetting that the smaller WTC7 couldn’t possibly have collapsed several hours after the nearby Twin Towers collapsed after some suicidal hijackers slammed a couple of 767s into them at 500mph, causing massive structural damage and unbelievably intense fires within the buildings, for the simple reason that the World Trade Center was as strong and unshakable as the Titanic was unsinkable. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Oh wait...