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Mueller Investigation pt 6

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theprestige said:
I seem to recall a whole narrative coming up around Manafort's(?) indictment on charges having nothing to do with the Russian Collusion question, as being part of a deal whereby Manafort was giving up the goods on the Russian Collusion in exchange for the lesser charges. We needed to wait until the report was published, to see the full extent of Mueller's strategy.

Now the report has been published. It turns out those indictments for unrelated crimes and process crimes were actually the high water mark for Mueller's investigation.
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Given the fact that the version of the Mueller report that's been released to the public is heavily redacted (with the redaction being controlled by people within the Trump administration), I think it is at best premature (if not totally incorrect) to think that there wasn't more dirt uncovered via Manfort's role.
 
theprestige said:
A Russian Collusion of the Gaps theory?
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No, a "keys to the chicken coup turned over to the foxes" theory.

The Mueller report was given to people in the Trump administration. Those same people:
1) have a motive to engage in covering up damaging information
2) have been known to engage in deceiptful activities, both outside of the Mueller report/Russian investigation, and following its release.

We know Trump lied... about the results of the report (exonerate!). We know Barr lied too, for example regarding the white house "fully cooperating" with the investigation. When you have individuals who have lied, and then redacted a report, its natural to be suspicious for the reasons for the redacted sections.
 
Segnosaur said:
Given the fact that the version of the Mueller report that's been released to the public is heavily redacted (with the redaction being controlled by people within the Trump administration), I think it is at best premature (if not totally incorrect) to think that there wasn't more dirt uncovered via Manfort's role.
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More to the point, there are several other ongoing investigations, including a counterintelligence investigation, that Mueller has passed information on to.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Given the fact that the version of the Mueller report that's been released to the public is heavily redacted (with the redaction being controlled by people within the Trump administration), I think it is at best premature (if not totally incorrect) to think that there wasn't more dirt uncovered via Manfort's role.
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More to the point, there are several other ongoing investigations, including a counterintelligence investigation, that Mueller has passed information on to.
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The problem is, some of the people that have taken up some of the ongoing investigations are influenced by the Trump administration. For example, anything that's been turned over to the Department of Justice might get squashed by Barr, regardless of the merits of the case.
 
Everything turned over to the Justice Department HAS been squashed by Barr. He terminated every Mueller spinoff investigation in his purview withing 10 days of assuming his role.
 
Rob Porter has been subpoena'd by the House Judiciary Committee, though I see this ending like all of the others. With Trump claiming executive privilege over the communications and Porter declining to show up. After all, nothing major has happened to the others that have done the same:

NBCNews said:
WASHINGTON — The House Judiciary Committee issued a subpoena Monday to Rob Porter, a former White House aide whose close proximity to President Donald Trump is potentially of significant value to Democratic lawmakers amid growing calls for a formal impeachment inquiry.
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Captain_Swoop said:
What was he supposed to do with it?
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Well let's see. He could have spoken up that anyone in the Trump admin he turned it over to should recuse themselves.

He could have gone to Congress (the House) instead of Trump/Barr.

He could have released it directly to Congress and Barr at the same time.

He could have followed his conscience and did what Mark Felt did.
 
plague311 said:
Rob Porter has been subpoena'd by the House Judiciary Committee, though I see this ending like all of the others. With Trump claiming executive privilege over the communications and Porter declining to show up. After all, nothing major has happened to the others that have done the same:
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Meanwhile, the House is fighting the DoJ and Trump's attorneys to subpoena Deutsche Bank records, and they have a good case against Trump's "criminal enterprise."
 
Segnosaur said:
Given the fact that the version of the Mueller report that's been released to the public is heavily redacted (with the redaction being controlled by people within the Trump administration), I think it is at best premature (if not totally incorrect) to think that there wasn't more dirt uncovered via Manfort's role.
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How come the unredacted version hasn't been leaked yet?
 
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a_unique_person said:
How come the unredacted version hasn't been leaked yet?
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Mueller's team has too much integrity to do so and now that Barr has it, there is no way it will leak until long after Trump is out of office. Barr did this kind of cover-up before, that's why he was hired.
 
theprestige said:
I seem to recall a whole narrative coming up around Manafort's(?) indictment on charges having nothing to do with the Russian Collusion question, as being part of a deal whereby Manafort was giving up the goods on the Russian Collusion in exchange for the lesser charges. We needed to wait until the report was published, to see the full extent of Mueller's strategy.

Now the report has been published. It turns out those indictments for unrelated crimes and process crimes were actually the high water mark for Mueller's investigation.
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In fair part because Mueller specifically declined to actually do anything about the campaign finance felonies (even the ones that ample evidence was found to support despite not specifically seeking such and actually could be irrefutably called collusion) on the basis of reasoning that had already been specifically disallowed by Congress because of how obviously wrong-headed it was and has been ruled against in court. Yes, Mueller definitely did disappoint us by making an error like that. By the look of it, Mueller very likely didn't even look at Trump's tax returns, which also seems like it would be a pretty overwhelmingly glaring error when the mandate was to check for links/coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Democrats largely did hold onto hope and trusted that Mueller was a Republican who wouldn't make such obvious major errors. That was our bad and feel free to laugh at us for our naivety there.
 
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Whether or not Barr has ended any particular investigations has no bearing on whether or not Manafort provided evidence to Mueller that Mueller passed off to other agencies because it was outside the narrow remit that he interpreted his investigation to have.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Whether or not Barr has ended any particular investigations has no bearing on whether or not Manafort provided evidence to Mueller that Mueller passed off to other agencies because it was outside the narrow remit that he interpreted his investigation to have.
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There is nothing to stop another AG under the next President (presuming its a Democrat) from reopening those investigations.

There is also noting to stop another AG from releasing the full Mueller Report including all redactions (except for the Grand Jury testimony for which he could go to court to get it released, and if the Republican weighted courts rule against them, the Dems should do it anyway).
 
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