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Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

Darat said:
It's actually worse than it first seems. He met Epstein after Epstein was released after being convicted. Whether he had seen anything or not he knew Epstein was a convicted sex offender at that point so before he decided to meet him.
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Oh, yes, that's what I was trying to say with the "convicted sexual predator " line. Should have changed it to "previously convicted sexual predator"


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ETA, reread what you were saying, so had missed the part that he didn't have a residual loyalty from beforehand.

Changed my previous post.
 
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But it's all OK, as Andrew reckons he saw nothing untoward at Epstein's place. That foot massage that Andrew got from the young Russian woman was totally legit.
 
GlennB said:
But it's all OK, as Andrew reckons he saw nothing untoward at Epstein's place. That foot massage that Andrew got from the young Russian woman was totally legit.
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Yes, I can just imagine the conversation,

"Your Highness there's this billionaire who wants to meet you and is giving a party, he's just got out of jail, but I thought it impolite to ask what it was for, do you want to meet him? There will be lots of girls young enough to be your granddaughters"
 
jimbob said:
Yes, I can just imagine the conversation,

"Your Highness there's this billionaire who wants to meet you and is giving a party, he's just got out of jail, but I thought it impolite to ask what it was for, do you want to meet him? There will be lots of girls young enough to be your granddaughters"
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...And you can even meet your old friend Ghislaine Maxwell. You know, Uncle Bob-bob-bob's daughter. You know, the guy who wiped out the Daily Mirror's pension funds, hiding behind wall after wall of '9999' Nick Leeson-type accounts purportedly propping it up? That one.

Come on, you must remember. She introduced you to that 17-year old chick who claims to have slept with you at least three times. You know, the one in the photo with you with your arm around her waist? That one?


Andrew says he knows nu-uuthing.
 
Darat said:
It's actually worse than it first seems. He met Epstein after Epstein was released after being convicted. Whether he had seen anything or not he knew Epstein was a convicted sex offender at that point so before he decided to meet him.
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jimbob said:
Yes, I can just imagine the conversation,

"Your Highness there's this billionaire who wants to meet you and is giving a party, he's just got out of jail, but I thought it impolite to ask what it was for, do you want to meet him? There will be lots of girls young enough to be your granddaughters"
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Ah, Andrew did first meet Epstein in 1999

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49411215

So he wasn't convicted before meeting him. However, Andrew still met him after his release from prison, so it hardly exonerates Andrew.
 
An actual pathologist is now working with Epstein's brother and believes it was a homicide. Reason: 3 broken bones in neck makes it unlikely it was a suicide. Paraphrasing him from a radio interview here - "In a prison suicide, hyoid bone breaking is common, 2 bones uncommon, 3 broken bones [like with Epstein] is rare as hell. ... In a New York prison suicide, I've never seen it."

NY Times (paywall for me)

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I make no comment on how credible this celebrity pathologist is, but there's the info.
 
How is "New York Prison Suicide" a meaningful distinction from "Prison Suicide?"
 
He was the medical examiner in new york, so he's speaking to his experience, was how I heard it. Mayor Koch fired him and there were allegations that he said somethings about ex-Governor Rockefeller dying during sex or some other tawdry innuendo.
 
JoeMorgue said:
How is "New York Prison Suicide" a meaningful distinction from "Prison Suicide?"
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It's a figure of speech. Probably an allusion to New York's place in pop culture as a mob-run town where things happen because the secret powers want them happen.

Thus, when an apparent prison suicide is (suspected to be) actually a murder, it's called a "New York" prison suicide - i.e., a murder made to look like a suicide. Which is a pretty meaningful distinction, in my mind. Not sure it's fair to the Big Apple, but that's a different question.
 
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Why don't they say which bones besides the hyoid? The only other bones in the neck are cervical vertebrae. In a standard hanging where the victim falls, stopped by the rope, a broken neck (vertebrae) is more common than not.

I'm going to guess in a prison suicide rather than falling very far, victims hang from the rope or device but don't fall far to get there thus cutting off air and brain blood supply.

If he tied the noose high and jumped off something like the bed, I don't think breaking three bones is all that mysterious.

Some other things might be suspicious like not having been checked on, taken off suicide precautions prematurely, camera not working? (I can't recall camera details if there was one.)

Obviously Epstein could probably implicate a lot of high profile and very rich persons so motive and capability are easy to imagine.

So, motive, yes.
Three broken bones, meh.
Some administrative decisions, maybe.
 
carlitos said:
An actual pathologist is now working with Epstein's brother and believes it was a homicide. Reason: 3 broken bones in neck makes it unlikely it was a suicide. Paraphrasing him from a radio interview here - "In a prison suicide, hyoid bone breaking is common, 2 bones uncommon, 3 broken bones [like with Epstein] is rare as hell. ... In a New York prison suicide, I've never seen it."

NY Times (paywall for me)

Insider Link

I make no comment on how credible this celebrity pathologist is, but there's the info.
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He is 85

He worked both defenses for OJ and Phil Spector

He is a regular on Fox news

He made his announcement on Fox and Friends.

He isn't exactly doing the things that builds a reputation for honesty.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Some other things might be suspicious like not having been checked on, taken off suicide precautions prematurely, camera not working? (I can't recall camera details if there was one.)
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I don't know anything about the camera; but Epstein was taken off suicide watch at the demands of his own attorneys who argued that it was unnecessary.

As for not being checked on, that might be suspicious-sounding, but I believe it was later determined to be a habit on the part of the guard involved, and I believe they were fired for it. Considering the punishment, I don't think it's likely the guard would have been part of a deliberate scheme by prison management to intentionally not check on Epstein, else he would've said something to that effect by now.
 
In a weird coincidence for me, Michael Baden was referred to by name as a celebrity pathologist in a work of fiction I'm reading right now - Cemetery Road, by Greg Iles. The protagonist refers to him like "I bet the coroner would think twice if he knew that Michael Baden was coming in behind him to do an independent autopsy."
 
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