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The Don said:
I was surprised by that bit and so had a quick look - and I should never have doubted lomiller :o

2018 Ireland per capita GDP: $75k (up over 10% on previous year)
2018 UK per capita GDP: $42k (up over 5% on previous year)

Source: http://statisticstimes.com/economy/european-countries-by-gdp-per-capita.php

Those increases seem awfully high in both cases given the modest total GDP growth in the year.
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We're also happier, freer, less violent, live longer, enjoy a freer press and less inequality and have higher Social Progress and Human Development Indices. Feel free to visit sometime.
 
Income in Ireland is high, but taxes and other costs of living are also high. In terms of disposable income, they don't do so well.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&language=en&pcode=tec00113

Latest year available at that site seems to be 2017 for most countries. Ireland was still trailing the UK in average disposable income terms then. Maybe they've passed us since then due to slump in the value of the pound?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Mercosur has freedom of movement. ASEAN is working towards it.

You havent explained why any of the things you complained about are bad things though.

All you seem to have highlighted is that the EU has been more successful than others in integrating more fully. This would be a positive thing.

ETA: Mercosur has a court as well. Having been shown to be wrong again ceptimus will now bluster, change topic, disappear for a couple of days and then come back to be completely wrong about something else.
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Is that million dollar challenge still going?
 
ceptimus said:
Income in Ireland is high, but taxes and other costs of living are also high. In terms of disposable income, they don't do so well.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&language=en&pcode=tec00113
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Adjusting for purchasing power tells a different story. Purchasing power adjusted OECD numbers for median disposable income has Ireland at $25.4K and the UK at $22.6K.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income#Median

Ireland is still quite a bit behind countries like The US, Australia or Canada but it’s ahead of the UK.
 
catsmate said:
No Surrender. No Gays. No Catholics. No Abortion. No Pope.
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That old joke about a airliners about to land at Belfast Airport.

"Welcome to Ulster.Please set your watch back 300 years."

I wonder how they deal with the fact that the new Tory Leader in the House of Commons is a Papist.,
 
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ceptimus said:
Income in Ireland is high, but taxes and other costs of living are also high. In terms of disposable income, they don't do so well.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&language=en&pcode=tec00113

Latest year available at that site seems to be 2017 for most countries. Ireland was still trailing the UK in average disposable income terms then. Maybe they've passed us since then due to slump in the value of the pound?
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I knew out resident Bresiter would turn on Ireland.....after all, they are bunch of croppies, not real Englishmen.
 
I ran into someone today who espoused not only the 'its all scaremongering' line about potential economic catastrophe of Brexit but also trotted out 'we were fine before we went in' Leaving aside the fact that was 40 years ago before we had integrated our economy with the EU there's the not so small point that the UK was anything but fine in the 1970's. The three day week, industrial unrest, economic depression, heck we even had to be bailed by the IMF in 1976. It's amazing how even people who are old enough to remember all of that seem to have filtered it out and all recall is the Bay City Rollers and one particularly warm summer.
 
After Johnson suggested he had been quite clear about his “alternative arrangements” to the backstop so loathed by Brexiteers, he was gently corrected by Merkel.
“Britain should tell us what sort of ideas it has because it is not a core task of a German chancellor to understand the relationship between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic in such detail . . . though I have learned a lot about this,” she said.
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Just for the slow learners here Boris, maybe you could spell it out again.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...to-control-talks-rebuffed-by-merkel-1.3993288
 
Elroy Cahill, who works as a head teacher in London school, tweeted: “(They) told me they ‘couldn’t wait for Boris and Brexit Party to make Brexit happen and send me and my lot back to f***ing Ireland,” he wrote.
“Told me to tell my lot to stop trying to stop Brexit with their f***ing border’... have never ever felt so shocked or unwelcome in this country! How has this kind of abuse become acceptable?”
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https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...-i-feel-like-i-am-back-in-the-1980s-1.3992131
 
a_unique_person said:
Just for the slow learners here Boris, maybe you could spell it out again.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...to-control-talks-rebuffed-by-merkel-1.3993288
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For all Boris Johnson's bluster, Germany seems very clear and consistent:

Berlin-based analysts agree there are no signs of a shift from Germany on the backstop.

“Despite the prospect of a hard Brexit becoming ever more likely, and the economic and political costs that would come with it for Germany, Berlin’s position remains consistent,” said Almut Möller, senior fellow and Berlin office head of the European Council of Foreign Relations.

“There are no serious new avenues that Berlin expects and would be willing to explore.”
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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...to-control-talks-rebuffed-by-merkel-1.3993288

As does France:

However, hours later, Mr Macron appeared to downplay the prospects of a breakthrough, telling reporters in Paris: "Renegotiation of the terms currently proposed by the British is not an option that exists, and that has always been made clear by [EU] President Tusk."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49427007

And as for taking back control......

But Mr Macron said: "Can the cost for Britain of a hard Brexit - because Britain will be the main victim - be offset by the United States of America? No.

"And even if it were a strategic choice it would be at the cost of a historic vassalisation of Britain.
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A nice summary from The Daily Mash: How to blame other people for your Brexit b/s

Samples:

It’s all Remainers’ fault

Remainers have completely failed to: devise a foolproof Brexit plan; negotiate new trade deals; support something they don’t agree with which would have made no difference anyway.

The EU are being tw*ts in general

Good bit of blame-shifting that ignores the fact we’re trying to leave a trade bloc without losing any benefits.
 
I read the Boris's alternative arrangements were for Ireland to align with the UK rules rather than the EU rules. You couldn't make that **** up.
 
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