London lesbians beaten for not kissing

[cullennz]

What the hell does "second or third gen immigrants" even mean? How many previous generations of your family have to have been born in the country you were born in for you to not be an "immigrant" anymore?

I'm white as mayonnaise and I've never been outside this country; but my grandmother was not born in the United States, so I guess that makes me a "third generation immigrant". Today I learned.

Lol

This has always been slightly humorous thing to me as well.

 

[EHocking]

Yes it is and yes it is related to "austerity" but you need to keep it in perspective, we are seeing rates of say murder we haven't seen for 10 or 12 years. So for example London is still "safer" than when I lived in London.

I realise correlation does not imply causation, but . . . .

 

[EHocking]

Yeh, I can just imagine a member of the latest (post-"Syrian Refugee Crisis) wave of migrants who've been adding to London's vibrant diversity intervening to save the lesbians. They love lesbians, do those migrants. And gay men - lovely gays. And white people - lovely, lovely white people.

They’ll fit right in with most of the white middle-aged Londoners that disgusted me for the 15 years I lived there then!

 

[Ziggurat]

What the hell does "second or third gen immigrants" even mean?

You know exactly what it means. You might not like the phrase, but don't feign confusion.

How many previous generations of your family have to have been born in the country you were born in for you to not be an "immigrant" anymore?

Depends on the purpose. I'm a second-generation immigrant, nothing shameful about that.

But not all second-generation immigrants are fully assimilated. The cultures from which they come can still play a large part in their current beliefs. For example, three of the four July 7 London Tube bombers were second-generation immigrants from Pakistan. If you don't think that background was relevant to their decision to engage in terrorism, you're in denial. And if you think that the cultural attitudes towards gays in countries like Pakistan has no effect on second-generation immigrants in the UK from those places, you don't understand human nature. Not every Pakistani in the UK is going to hate gays (hell, even in Pakistan I'm sure there are tolerant people), but the average attitudes are different. And multiculturalism and the attendant reduction in assimilation makes those differences more persistent.

I'm white as mayonnaise and I've never been outside this country; but my grandmother was not born in the United States, so I guess that makes me a "third generation immigrant". Today I learned.

I'm not sure what you being white has to do with anything. White people immigrate and emigrate to and from places. But yes, you're a third generation immigrant.

 

[William Parcher]

Four teenagers deny homophobic harassment

Two 17-year-olds, a 16-year-old and a 15-year-old allegedly demanded they kiss and perform sex acts when they discovered they were a couple, Highbury Corner Youth Court heard. They will stand trial on 28 November.

All four are charged with using threatening, abusive, or insulting words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm, or distress. It was alleged the boys threw coins at the women, who were both taken to hospital for treatment to facial injuries after the incident.

The 16-year-old boy, from Wandsworth, admitted stealing a handbag but denied handling her stolen mobile phone.

The 15-year-old, from Kensington and Chelsea, also denied handling a stolen bank card.

One of the 17-year-olds, both from Kensington and Chelsea, also denies a charge of possession of cannabis...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-49421076

 

[The Norseman]

Did you miss the last half of my post?

My issue was with the challange "maybe if you got beat and robbed it you wouldn't find it funny. ". It's simply not effective argumentation as a decent portion of the population can and would laugh.

Strange in my mind to consider it as an argument. I see it as a rebuke against callousness and a call for more simple human empathy.

lol?

This is just a small example of an almost innate toxic male entitlement.

What they need is a punch to the face and some time to heal behind bars.

Wait, what? Your solution to toxic masculinity is to beat them up first? Isn't that perpetuating a major part of toxic masculinity saying might makes right?

You might be unaware of the history of the Metropolitan Police Service.

Or, indeed the current state of the Met

Naw, naw, that's all FAKE HISTORY.

Refugees from Syria are not the only immigrants from countries and cultures which have less respect, shall we say, for women's and lesbians' rights than British society as a whole.

So? These four British youths certainly did not demonstrate this cultural respect; why assume refugees will invariably demonstrate theirs?

 

[Puppycow]

Four teenagers deny homophobic harassment
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-49421076

But who are they?







I wanna know which ethnic group to blame! [/jk]

 

[EHocking]

But who are they?







I wanna know which ethnic group to blame! [/jk]

If The Hun or The Fail haven't mentioned it, they are probably white.

 

[GlennB]

But who are they?

They're under 18 and, I think, cannot be named at this stage of proceedings.

 

[Susheel]

Yeh, I can just imagine a member of the latest (post-"Syrian Refugee Crisis) wave of migrants who've been adding to London's vibrant diversity intervening to save the lesbians. They love lesbians, do those migrants. And gay men - lovely gays. And white people - lovely, lovely white people.

Projecting your own attitudes on to people you don't know?

 

[mgidm86]

What the hell does "second or third gen immigrants" even mean? How many previous generations of your family have to have been born in the country you were born in for you to not be an "immigrant" anymore?

I'm white as mayonnaise and I've never been outside this country; but my grandmother was not born in the United States, so I guess that makes me a "third generation immigrant". Today I learned.

Here in the US I've always heard it as "3rd generation American". I've never heard the "immigrant" version.

 

[Information Analyst]

They're under 18 and, I think, cannot be named at this stage of proceedings.

Nor necessarily at the end of them.

 

[quadraginta]

Here in the US I've always heard it as "3rd generation American". I've never heard the "immigrant" version.

My ancestors came here nearly a century and a half before the U.S. existed.

I guess that makes me a thirteenth generation immigrant.

 

[The Don]

My ancestors came here nearly a century and a half before the U.S. existed.

I guess that makes me a thirteenth generation immigrant.

All of them, or just some of them ?

 

[3point14]

All of them, or just some of them ?

I think, in terms of the 'I've been here longest' game, one is allowed to use the one that gives the most satisfying answer.

I think. It's not a game I'm familiar with.

 

[Puppycow]

My ancestors came here nearly a century and a half before the U.S. existed.

I guess that makes me a thirteenth generation immigrant.

Some relative of mine who I never met managed to trace back our family history (on the male side) to a man who first came to America around 1650 as an indentured servant. He was on the losing side in a battle in the English Civil war at that time and was captured. He was only 16 at the time of the battle. I think Oliver Cromwell was the winner of that particular battle. What they did with my ancestor was to send him to New England as an indentured servant. I'd have to go back to the book to figure out exactly how many generations are between me and him though.

 

[quadraginta]

All of them, or just some of them ?

Some, of course.

However, two of my four grandparents are direct descendants of settlers who came here in 1640, including my father's father, who was born and raised in the same town that 1640 settler came to. Same surname and all.

A third was a latecomer, though. Didn't get here until shortly after 1700.

 

[William Parcher]

Follow-up article includes some video of the fight.

'They wanted us to show them how lesbians have sex': American woman, 29, relives moment teenage thugs subjected her and doctor girlfriend, 28, to homophobic abuse on board a London bus as three youths admit horrific attack

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7738173/Teenage-yobs-admit-attack-doctor-girlfriend.html

 

[William Parcher]

Boy, 16, who terrorised lesbian couple on bus as they were pelted with coins and told to perform sex act is let off with referral order and £100 fine ($132)

A 16-year-old boy who harassed a lesbian couple on a night bus and then stole one of their handbags has today been left off with a referral order.

Melania Ramirez, a 28-year-old doctor from Uruguay, and Christine Hannigan, from the US, were subjected to homophobic slurs and gestures by a group of teenagers on the N31 in Camden, northwest London, on May 30. Shocking CCTV of the incident showed the pair surrounded and hit with coins as the 16-year-old boy and two other males, aged 15 and 17, terrorised the women for nine minutes. The three teenagers admitted targeting the women shortly before they were due to go on trial last month.

Appearing at Wimbledon Magistrates' Court today, the 16-year-old was given an eight-month youth referral order, increased from six months due to the homophobic nature of the attack. A referral order requires offenders to attend a youth offender panel, usually made up of two members of the local community and an advisor from a youth offending team, to negotiate how they will address their behavioiur.

The youth, who cannot be named due to his age, admitted using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress against the two women. He was also fined £100 ($132) and ordered to pay a £20 ($22) surcharge. He also admitted theft of Ms Ramirez's handbag and handling Ms Hannigan's stolen phone. Both the handbag and phone were later recovered after the 16-year-old was arrested at his south London home.

Andrew Mooney, mitigating, said the 16-year-old had not thrown coins or made homophobic gestures like his co-defendants.

But chair magistrate Peter Bullet uplifted the sentence due to the homophobic nature of the incident in general. Mr Bullet said: 'By all accounts this was an unpleasant situation with offences committed by a large group in the early hours in a public space against two women on their own.

'It would seem it was both a homophobic trigger and the context for this offending behaviour.' Addressing the court after his sentencing as part of a restorative justice programme, the 16-year-old accepted he had hurt the two victims as well as his own family and friends.

When asked to explain how he could make it up to the people he had hurt, the teenager replied: 'Show them that's not the person I am.'...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ian-couple-London-bus-let-referral-order.html

 

[Puppycow]

What a sham. What a joke of a punishment.