2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker - Part II

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TragicMonkey said:
Not exactly. I want a good president, one worth having. Not another shifty hypocritical plutocrat to serve the banks. Biden's is a boring sort of evil. A facade of dullness is a useful mask. Warren may be an idealist and her ideas may not work but she does seem to be honest about them and willing to try.
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They need to weed out the field until they're left with 3-4 candidates so each can have a good amount of time to make their case and policies clear. Then we'd have a better of how each of them is faring.
 
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They need to weed out the field until they're left with 3-4 candidates so each can have a good amount of time to make their case and policies clear. Then we'd have a better of how each of them is faring.
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I wish Warren would just go ahead and assimilate Sanders with her Borg nanoprobes. She's the practical, less crazy version of him. If he were gone I think most of his supporters would back her.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I wish Warren would just go ahead and assimilate Sanders with her Borg nanoprobes. She's the practical, less crazy version of him. If he were gone I think most of his supporters would back her.
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Weirdly (or not), most of the people currently backing Sanders have Biden as their second choice.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...20_primary_for_sanders_and_warren_140987.html

According to the Morning Consult poll, the second-choice of most Sanders supporters is not Warren, but Biden.
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I think they should wait till the last minute for one to drop out.
 
TragicMonkey said:
True, but that hatred was held by the people that wouldn't have voted Democrat regardless. What does it matter if a person loathes Clinton and only mildly dislikes Biden if they're going to vote for Trump anyway? It's like how the depth of a lake doesn't matter to someone floating on the surface, whether it's ten feet deep or a thousand they're at the same elevation.
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The calculus is thus:

The Left is already highly motivated to turn out this election, our disdain for the current occupant of the White House demands it.

In and of itself, our motivation to vote may not be enough to overcome institutional roadblocks and secure the office of POTUS.

There are many on The Right who are un-enthusiastic about Trump, and may be inclined to vote against him (or not vote for the POTUS at all) if the candidate we run does not trigger the knee-jerk "OMG SOCIALISTS!!!!" as readily as some of our more left leaning options.

In order to win, it is likely that we will need a candidate who will do well amongst the (small) number of Independents- while not stirring the lukewarm to cold Right leaning voters into action.

At this time, Biden seems to be the best prospect for that. I don't think many of us actually expect him to govern (or even survive his first term), but he may be the one most able to give us a "rubber stamp" presidency.
 
Distracted1 said:
The calculus is thus:

The Left is already highly motivated to turn out this election, our disdain for the current occupant of the White House demands it.

In and of itself, our motivation to vote may not be enough to overcome institutional roadblocks and secure the office of POTUS.

There are many on The Right who are un-enthusiastic about Trump, and may be inclined to vote against him (or not vote for the POTUS at all) if the candidate we run does not trigger the knee-jerk "OMG SOCIALISTS!!!!" as readily as some of our more left leaning options.

In order to win, it is likely that we will need a candidate who will do well amongst the (small) number of Independents- while not stirring the lukewarm to cold Right leaning voters into action.

At this time, Biden seems to be the best prospect for that. I don't think many of us actually expect him to govern (or even survive his first term), but he may be the one most able to give us a "rubber stamp" presidency.
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Ugh. Intellectually I can accept that, but emotionally it makes me mad to think we have to appeal to the thrice-damned idiotic deplorables who voted for the Orange Apocalypse last time. I'd rather run a clean ship towards a noble destination than trawl the stinking harbor for bottomfeeding mudfish. So I guess it's good for my soul I'm not a politician. I don't think I could do it.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Ugh. Intellectually I can accept that, but emotionally it makes me mad to think we have to appeal to the thrice-damned idiotic deplorables who voted for the Orange Apocalypse last time. I'd rather run a clean ship towards a noble destination than trawl the stinking harbor for bottomfeeding mudfish. So I guess it's good for my soul I'm not a politician. I don't think I could do it.
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We are not appealing to the "deplorables" (we will never appeal to them). We are trying to give those who voted Trump solely out of disdain for Clinton (or loyalty to what they hoped would be conservative ideals) an excuse to sit this one out.
 
The one piece of evidence for electability is how well they do winning elections. But that seems to be the least discussed item.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The one piece of evidence for electability is how well they do winning elections. But that seems to be the least discussed item.
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Just because Biden's lost every time he's run for president is no reason to suggest he won't win eventually. There's always 2024, and 2028 after that!
 
TragicMonkey said:
Ugh. Intellectually I can accept that, but emotionally it makes me mad to think we have to appeal to the thrice-damned idiotic deplorables who voted for the Orange Apocalypse last time.
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The good news is, you don't have to appeal to the deplorables. Even Hillary agrees that they're a minority of the total right wing vote. And I think we all recognize that they're going to vote Trump regardless of your appeals.

But the deplorables aren't the ones that elected Trump in 2016. The people you have to appeal to are swing voters in a few key states. These people are not deplorables. These are people who could have been appealed to in 2016, and can be appealed to in 2020. Confusing them with the deplorables is probably not going to appeal to them, though. Calling them thrice-damned and writing them off is probably gonna end up being one of those "... because this is how you get more Trump" moments in 2020.
 
theprestige said:
The good news is, you don't have to appeal to the deplorables. Even Hillary agrees that they're a minority of the total right wing vote. And I think we all recognize that they're going to vote Trump regardless of your appeals.

But the deplorables aren't the ones that elected Trump in 2016. The people you have to appeal to are swing voters in a few key states. These people are not deplorables. These are people who could have been appealed to in 2016, and can be appealed to in 2020. Confusing them with the deplorables is probably not going to appeal to them, though. Calling them thrice-damned and writing them off is probably gonna end up being one of those "... because this is how you get more Trump" moments in 2020.
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Yeah, it'll be my fault because everyone pays attention to what I say. I'm such a huuuuge celebrity and this message board is sooooooo influential that my mean remarks about white trash could blow my book deal, cancel my corporate sponsorships, and trigger a political fallout that ushers in an actual Nazi regime.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yeah, it'll be my fault because everyone pays attention to what I say. I'm such a huuuuge celebrity and this message board is sooooooo influential that my mean remarks about white trash could blow my book deal, cancel my corporate sponsorships, and trigger a political fallout that ushers in an actual Nazi regime.
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Weird flex, but okay.

Now how about addressing the substance of my argument.
 
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