Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[Childlike Empress]

So, that's a provisional "no" from me on your hypothesis / interesting thing / "not so bad" emissions difference. If my reasoning isn't clear enough, let me know and I can do some graphs, but not right now.

The "clue" is that Germany doesn't contribute enough to the biggest polluter on planet Earth, the Empire's military machine, so any claims of them being "better" in these fields is hippie **** as they lack in murdering people in countries that insist on being sovereign.

 

[Vixen]

Schoolchildren in Russia or China have little chance of influence. Schoolchildren in the West do have a chance of influence, by actually affecting public opinion. I would have thought you'd have been well aware of that.

If you like having your opinion influenced you should be all right with the current state of the press: 95% press release governed. Like Greta.

 

[Vixen]

Significant: sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy

It is significant, as we've seen from both the media attention and the actions taken by other school kids.

School children going on strike helps how? (The ones that go ahead appear to have actually been organised and supported by their teachers.)

 

[jimbob]

School children going on strike helps how? (The ones that go ahead appear to have actually been organised and supported by their teachers.)

It is a protest. How does protest help? It is the strongest non-violent way of demonstrating support for something if one doesn't yet have a vote.

As far as I know, the one my daughter took part in was organised by the students. Obviously they told the teachers what they were doing - otherwise there'd be no point. It was against school policy, and indeed our school sent a letter advising us against letting our children take part.

 

[Vixen]

It is a protest. How does protest help? It is the strongest non-violent way of demonstrating support for something if one doesn't yet have a vote.

As far as I know, the one my daughter took part in was organised by the students. Obviously they told the teachers what they were doing - otherwise there'd be no point. It was against school policy, and indeed our school sent a letter advising us against letting our children take part.

In some parts of Finland schoolkids have been actively reducing the carbon footprint as a matter of daily life.

 

[jimbob]

Yes, and that precludes protesting how?

 

[Vixen]

Yes, and that precludes protesting how?

Isn't it better to set an example. You saw how Prince Harry preached about global pollution...and then jetted off four times within weeks on a private jet with just his family and entourage on board. Yeah, he dishes out the PR but doesn't practise it.

At least Greta practises what she preaches (or at least, is seen to).

 

[jimbob]

Isn't it better to set an example. You saw how Prince Harry preached about global pollution...and then jetted off four times within weeks on a private jet with just his family and entourage on board. Yeah, he dishes out the PR but doesn't practise it.

At least Greta practises what she preaches (or at least, is seen to).

And again, the two don't preclude each other.

I also thought you were criticising Thunberg for her choice of transport upthread?

I actually have no idea what points you are trying to make overall. Each post seems to be utterly self-contained, but overall, apart from a nebulous dislike of something to do with Thunberg (or maybe her parents, or possibly her actions) I am lost.

 

[Vixen]

And again, the two don't preclude each other.

I also thought you were criticising Thunberg for her choice of transport upthread?

I actually have no idea what points you are trying to make overall. Each post seems to be utterly self-contained, but overall, apart from a nebulous dislike of something to do with Thunberg (or maybe her parents, or possibly her actions) I am lost.

If you go back to my earliest messages you will see I don't like PR manipulation, whether it be a party political broadcast or an advert for baked beans.

I was initially misled into believing Greta was a random schoolgirl who of her own volition became an ardent green campaigner, making the trek from her home in Sweden to Poland all by herself.

Then we discover she is just another rich kid tagged 'autistic' for maximum public sympathy manipulation effect and in fact, her parents are her driving force.

 

[jimbob]

If you go back to my earliest messages you will see I don't like PR manipulation, whether it be a party political broadcast or an advert for baked beans.

I think you are missing the point of protests then.

 

[Vixen]

I think you are missing the point of protests then.

I think to give Greta sole credit for UK school kids going on strike is pandering to a need for celebrity posing.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I think to give Greta sole credit for UK school kids going on strike is pandering to a need for celebrity posing.

I like horse avatar. Your posts make more sense as a means to keep said horse well fed.

 

[Childlike Empress]

At least Greta practises what she preaches (or at least, is seen to).

It is reported (by the DailyFail) that two people accompanying Greta and her father on the boat (one being Monaco "royalty" who finances the whole thing) will fly back to Europe while two other people are flying to the US to steer the boat back to Monaco. Which would make Greta cry about how her actions are not being thought through if the rag is correct. If not, the wickedness of that outlet would make Greta cry.

 

[Childlike Empress]

I deleted a much harder sentence before I posted the above. Abusing children for propaganda is among the most infuriating things to me, no matter how "good" the cause is in the eye of the propagandist. Be it the "they threw the babies out of the incubators" daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US in the early 90s, be it Bana Alabed, Alan Kurdi, Omran Daqneesh or Greta Thunberg. Despicable.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I deleted a much harder sentence before I posted the above. Abusing children for propaganda is among the most infuriating things to me, no matter how "good" the cause is in the eye of the propagandist. Be it the "they threw the babies out of the incubators" daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US in the early 90s, be it Bana Alabed, Alan Kurdi, Omran Daqneesh or Greta Thunberg. Despicable.

Abuse? What sort of boat is she on, a row boat?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Abuse? What sort of boat is she on, a row boat?

She's on a boat that if what the DailyFail reports is correct is on a trip that will be twice as hurtful to the environment than if she and daddy would have just taken a flight to NYC.

 

[lionking]

She's on a boat that if what the DailyFail reports is correct is on a trip that will be twice as hurtful to the environment than if she and daddy would have just taken a flight to NYC.

Oh for goodness sake. Must everyone walk bare feet to meetings and protests before they can be treated seriously? This is an incredibly petty argument, and not one often directed at world leaders and people like Attenborough and Gore.

Besides, you know you can pay extra to offset the carbon emissions of airfares, don’t you? I do it myself and I’m willing to bet the people who sailed on the boat with Greta did the same.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Oh for goodness sake. Must everyone walk bare feet to meetings and protests before they can be treated seriously? This is an incredibly petty argument, and not one often directed at world leaders and people like Attenborough and Gore.

Besides, you know you can pay extra to offset the carbon emissions of airfares, don’t you? I do it myself and I’m willing to bet the people who sailed on the boat with Greta did the same.

LOL, just out of interest: You calculated the carbon footprint of the cruises and other travels you told us about and donated the equivalent to some causes? If so, that is in some way adorable.

 

[lionking]

LOL, just out of interest: You calculated the carbon footprint of the cruises and other travels you told us about and donated the equivalent to some causes? If so, that is in some way adorable.

Only flights. It’s easy to do.

And I’m in no way perfect. Drive a car, heat and air condition the house.

None of this changes my position that many governments are not doing enough and that Greta is a force for good.

 

[Dr. Keith]

She's on a boat that if what the DailyFail reports is correct is on a trip that will be twice as hurtful to the environment than if she and daddy would have just taken a flight to NYC.

How is that "abusing children" as you previously claimed?