Merged Hulsey presents research arguing WTC7 not brought down by fires/University of Alaska

[Jack by the hedge]

Time will tell.

Time appears to be dropping some heavy hints.

 

[Oystein]

How often has this report been scheduled for release in the last x years?

I have no idea how that question addresses my post.

 

[bknight]

I have no idea how that question addresses my post.

Just asking how many times it was scheduled for release and failed to deliver.

 

[DGM]

Time appears to be dropping some heavy hints.

Yes. I should add that by "light of day" I meant and actual legitimate publishing.

AE has to show something for all the money they spent. Who will care? The same people that have been following this saga from the beginning.......no one else.

 

[MileHighMadness]

...be open for public comment for a six-week period ending October 15, 2019.

Okay...will AE 9/11 Truth be open and transparent? Will the public see all the incoming comments? Or will they disappear down a black hole, never to see the light of day.

This should be interesting!

 

[ozeco41]

..... They don't want criticism to surface ...especially if the conclusion (which was decided before the study started, let's not forget that) is that fire couldn't be the cause. They can't prove that, no matter how many studies they disprove, no matter the validity of their disproof.

EXACTLY.

That is the fatal error of logic at the base foundation of the project. Even if he gets his analysis correct for EVERY alternate scenario he identifies he cannot prove that all possible scenarios are falsified. He is in effect claiming "There is NO fire driven collapse mechanism which would cause collapse." That is a global claim which he cannot support. I doubt it is even possible to identify all the possible scenarios.

 

[JSanderO]

As Ozzie writes... it appears to be a fool's errand to try to prove that fire does not have serious effects on the structural ability of steel. One might make an argument that the magnitude of heat would be a determining factor as well as the cross sectional area of the steel subject to fire. A waste basket fire will not cause a steel beam or column in a high rise to fail. However when the amount of heat and the cross section of steel are in a certain range... steel will fail to perform as designed. It is for this reason that various fire protection strategies are employed in steel buildings. And these have been field tested before put into practice. Hulsey is trying to show that all these trials were bogus.

Good luck with that.

 

[Josarhus]

According to Niels Harrit, Hulsey's study has already been peer reviewed, so public comments would probably be ignored.

 

[Trojan]

Peer reviewed by whom? What is the point of public comment if this is finalized? sigh

 

[Myriad]

Well, I sure hope there will be a public comment period as promised. Otherwise, people will have no chance to point out mistakes or raise objections during those few crucial days before the report is disregarded and forgotten about.

 

[Josarhus]

Peer reviewed by whom? What is the point of public comment if this is finalized? sigh

Exactly, and it was probably done by his fellow truthers, like they did on Harrits paper.

 

[beachnut]

the peer review = fellow paranoid conspiracy theorist peers?

 

[bknight]

the peer review = fellow paranoid conspiracy theorist peers?

More than likely.

 

[Oystein]

Peer reviewed by whom? What is the point of public comment if this is finalized? sigh

AE911Truth has said from the beginning, and still says on http://www.wtc7evaluation.org/ :

WTC 7 Evaluation has a review committee of technical experts whose purpose is to vet the research as it is being conducted by Dr. Hulsey. They welcome input and feedback from other technical experts as well as from members of the general public.

This "review committee" is of course a group of dyed-in-the-wool Truthers, hand-picked by Richard Gage to ensure strict adherence to the Party line. In other words: Actual, literal peers. People chosen for the property of agreeing with you.

(The latter line in the quote was of course a dirty, nasty LIE. There was never any intention to allow any critical voices. I signed up with them, as did several other sane people I know - we never heard from this "committee".)

 

[Trojan]

And Hulsey has taken this further

"I expect there to be at least four papers come of out this study—and I'm talking about in respected journals around the country. I'm not overly optimistic that they will be published in this country. I'm probably going to submit them in Europe or some place like that where people are more receptive to reviewing them scientifically, and maybe there won't be as much politics involved in what may or may not have happened here.

AS: Yeah, to me, from what I've experienced, it's not even a question of science, it's a question of politics—and psychology, too. Because a lot of what holds people back from doing a fair analysis is preconceived notions that they won't let go of. But I do want to see this out around the world. I know the difficulties we face her in the United States in getting information about this building out. What kind of challenges do you expect to find when the paper is published? What do you anticipate are the criticisms or problems that people are going to try to find with the work?

LH: You know, I don't even know. I don't know that there could be too many challenges if it's published in a respected, peer-reviewed journal, because those are supposed to be scientists that review it and agree that the science is correct.

If people start criticizing that work, then I guess an approach is to say, “Okay, show me where there are problems. Show me why yours is better. Show me what you can do to prove that something is different than what we said it is.”

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/480...finish-line-an-interview-with-dr-leroy-hulsey

 

[carlitos]

September 2001 - Terrorist Attack at World Trade Center
August 2002 - NIST starts building safety investigations
October 2005 - Report on WTC 1 and 2
November 2008 - Report on WTC 7
August 2019 - Hulsey "nearing the finish line" on completion of report that criticizes 11-year-old report.

I saw this in the interview. Apparently, if papers are in a file drawer in a towering inferno, they can't burn.

Now, the next question to is ask yourself, “Okay, so were these fires. Really? Where did the combustibles come from?” We're talking about fires on floors much of which were conditions of business or secure information. Don't you think that that stuff would've been locked up in files and cases, and not out on the desk? And even if was out on the desks, are there enough combustibles to keep that fire raging for that many hours? I just don't think so.

Alas, Dr. Leroy Hulsey, a Ph.D. in structural engineering, appears to be unfamiliar with the work of ... Galileo.

This building is not symmetrical. Because it's not symmetrical, if something happens some place within the building, it's not going to come straight down. It's going to come down at an angle or rotate or any number of things, because the centroid of that building is not in the middle. It's just not. And so if there are things that are going on that cause it to come straight down, then there's got to be influences to make that happen.

 

[Jaytje46]

News update.

I’ve got such important news that I wanted to make sure you didn’t miss the message I sent earlier this week. In less than two weeks, the breakthrough Building 7 Study by Dr. Leroy Hulsey will be released, proving definitively that fire did not cause the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11.

I urgently need your help to raise $50,000 by August 31st to spread the word about this study far and wide. Fortunately, a determined donor has stepped forward with a generous challenge gift of $5,000. That means this donor is challenging the community — including you — to equal his donation by August 31st so that this report can be shared as widely as possible.

Will you donate now to make sure this report is spread far and wide?

When you give today, your gift will be used immediately to launch a multi-channel public awareness campaign about this groundbreaking study. For example, for just $25 you can ensure that ten engineers receive our large-format postcard about the report (plus you’ll receive one, too!), helping us reach 20,000 engineers across the country.

Not only that, but your gift will be used to organize presentations in Fairbanks, Berkeley, and New York, hold a major news conference in Washington D.C. with the Franklin Square fire commissioners, produce a powerful short video for social media, commission a new YouGov survey, and more.

Will you give generously today to make sure we do not miss this incredible opportunity to bring this game-changing study about Building 7’s destruction to the public’s attention?

So they say in 2 weeks, but on the website from Institute of Northern Engineering it still says September 30th

In previous mail it says "Building 7 Study to be released Sept. 3"

 

[carlitos]

$5,000 plus $5,000 is going to leave them a little short of $50,000.

Small point but their tax records address shows a UPS store in Lafayette, CA, but you send your donation checks to a UPS store in Berkeley, CA.

Their revenue was down about a quarter of a million dollars from 2016 to 2017. But salaries went up from $229K to $262K. They really, really deserve to lose their tax-exempt status. Half their money went to salaries. Hulsey's study was noted in the detailed list of expenses, along with a bunch of other truthy evangelical work.

Has anyone seen their 2018 tax documentation?

 

[Oystein]

...
Has anyone seen their 2018 tax documentation?
...

I have not yet bothered to check because they have always, every single year without exception, first applied for extended due date, then waited till the due date actually arrived, to file their tax return. This due date is in November (I don't recall which day - 1st or 15th). Expect to get a copy of the Form 990 then a bit after that - Decemberish.

 

[MileHighMadness]

The key to this report is the fire load (size, intensity and duration) that is assumed for the structural computer model. If that is not clearly and completely addressed in the report, then Hulsey doesn’t know what he is doing, and the whole report is crap.

I look forward to his presentation on September 3, but expect anything new or relevant.