The Trump Presidency: Sweet/Sweat 16

[TragicMonkey]

I might go to a Trump event if I were paid for it. I wouldn't promise not to laugh sarcastically or make faces, though.

 

[TofuFighter]

You are correct. It's worse. They are not getting paid their normal wage unless they attend Trump's event.

He is also correct in saying that this is not a rent-a-crowd.

 

[Segnosaur]

I might go to a Trump event if I were paid for it. I wouldn't promise not to laugh sarcastically or make faces, though.

The workers who were "encouraged" to go to the trump speech were specifically told how to act... No protests, stay silent, etc.

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[Belz...]

You are correct. It's worse. They are not getting paid their normal wage unless they attend Trump's event.

This isn't a contest. Sure, it's worse. But it's not the same thing, which was my point.

 

[carlitos]

I was recently (reluctantly) in Miami for work. On the way to a meeting I stopped at the intersection in front of the Trump Dorral golf resort. I had my GPS ap turned on as this was my first time driving in Miami. Now, I'm getting texts for me to take a survey about my stay at Trump's resort. Can you imagine the humiliation? To be associated with his kind? He's not really even a person. I'd never give that sort of scum my money let alone allow decent people to think I was in any way associated with his property. Fortunately, so far the messages haven't come up when I was around friends and real Americans. You'd think me responding by calling Trump the son of a pig ****** whore and an uppity boy who needs to learn his place around his betters would have stopped the texts. Still, since I've been given an avenue to insult Trump and his family, I'll continue to take it.

Patriotism is hurting Trump every chance you get.

It's a really nice resort. I stayed there in 2015 for a meeting. There was a problem with my initial room, and they moved me up to the Gary Player suite or something and sent me a bottle of Trump champagne and some fresh fruit. I brought the bottle home for some friends to open on New Year's that year.

You sound a little unhinged by an automated text process. Maybe try a little relaxation breathing.

 

[McHrozni]

What do you mean "how"? It's not the same thing, ergo it's different.

Scenario 1: "Hey, man. Wanna make some money? Come to this rally and I'll pay you 200 bucks!"
Scenario 2: "Don't forget to come to the auditorium tomorrow, rather than your cubicle. If you don't come, you won't get the overtime pay. You're still paid as per usual, however. It's not mandatory."

Those are two completely different things. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

In what meaningful way is it different? The sequence of words used to describe the event alone is not meaningful.

McHrozni

 

[Belz...]

In what meaningful way is it different?

For pete's sake, man. They are different IN EVERY WAY. Are you trolling me?

 

[McHrozni]

He is also correct in saying that this is not a rent-a-crowd.

It's a coherced crowd, true. That is not different than rent-a-crowd as far as what it means for the candidate goes.

McHrozni

 

[Belz...]

It's a coherced crowd, true. That is not different than rent-a-crowd as far as what it means for the candidate goes.

Ah, so it IS different in a major way, but not really.

 

[TragicMonkey]

The workers who were "encouraged" to go to the trump speech were specifically told how to act... No protests, stay silent, etc.

"I couldn't help yawning, I was tired from being up all night from excitement about seeing Trump!"

 

[TragicMonkey]

How does proximity trigger texts anyway? Doesn't something need to know your phone number to send things to it? As far as I know you can't pick up phone numbers of nearby phones as you please. Apps that have a proximity feature can detect each other (more or less, the dating one I use once said there were 61,740 men within ten feet of me. I'm certain I would have noticed them) but surely those apps and that feature are voluntary?

 

[Checkmite]

Scenario 2: "Don't forget to come to the auditorium tomorrow, rather than your cubicle. If you don't come, you won't get the overtime pay. You're still paid as per usual, however. It's not mandatory."

The people who did not attend the Trump rally were not paid for that day of work at all. They had to stay home.

 

[WilliamSeger]

You are correct. It's worse. They are not getting paid their normal wage unless they attend Trump's event.

Much worse. Creating a false display of support is bad enough, but using a stick instead of a carrot is employee abuse.

 

[Horatius]

How does proximity trigger texts anyway? Doesn't something need to know your phone number to send things to it? As far as I know you can't pick up phone numbers of nearby phones as you please. Apps that have a proximity feature can detect each other (more or less, the dating one I use once said there were 61,740 men within ten feet of me. I'm certain I would have noticed them) but surely those apps and that feature are voluntary?

He said he was using his GPS. I expect it wasn't an actual "text", but an app notification. As others have said, this is a common result of using Google Maps. They often ask you to rate places you've been, which, because of their crappy algorithm, often includes places that you've merely been near. I get at least one of these a week.

I usually just ignore them, but they do have an option to say "I've never been there" if you care enough to tell them that. This option alone tells us they know their algorithm is crap, but it's probably easier to let the users just ignore such requests than actually fix it.

 

[Belz...]

The people who did not attend the Trump rally were not paid for that day of work at all. They had to stay home.

That's what I thought as well at first but further information seems to say otherwise.

 

[alfaniner]

The people who did not attend the Trump rally were not paid for that day of work at all. They had to stay home.

Another option should have been offered -- that being to stay and do their regular work. Except, if it was on a line that was shut down for the day that would not be on the table.

 

[Aridas]

If they didn't attend the rally, they got an 'excused day off', which means it won't count against them. If they chose and had it available, they could use Vacation or PTO. So, they lose 1 day of regular pay.

Since they didn't work that day, on Friday their normal overtime hours would be calculated as regular time. So they lose 1 day of overtime pay.

ETA: I thought I'd do more math: Assume $30 per hour below

Note: The workers by contract work 56 hours a week, with 16 of that as overtime: 56 = 40 x 1.0 + 16 x 1.5. = 64 hours of pay. $1920

The people not at the rally, at best, got 56 hours = 40 x 1.0 + 8 x 1.5 + 8 Vacation/PTO. = 60 hours of pay. $1800

If they didn't use Vacation/PTO, 48 hours = 40 x 1.0 + 8 x 1.5 = 52 hours of pay. $1560

Plug in any value for hourly wage, and you will see the impact.

ETA: up to $360 lost to employee.

Up a little from there, apparently.

One union leader reached Friday who asked not to be named because he did not want to make trouble for his workers said one day of work might amount to about $700 in pay, benefits and a per diem payment that out-of-town workers receive.

Given the contents of the Trump time, of course, there's the distinct question - would this actually be a campaign finance violation? That's a lot of pay time that's being given, before getting to all the rest.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Up a little from there, apparently.



Given the contents of the Trump time, of course, there's the distinct question - would this actually be a campaign finance violation? That's a lot of pay time that's being given, before getting to all the rest.

Only if this was a campaign event as it was normal presidential duties it can't possibly be a campaign finance violation now can it?

 

[pgwenthold]

The one thing to be made clear here is that this was NOT something Trump or his campaign actually did. It was the company who was responsible.

 

[phiwum]

Up a little from there, apparently.



Given the contents of the Trump time, of course, there's the distinct question - would this actually be a campaign finance violation? That's a lot of pay time that's being given, before getting to all the rest.

You'd have to make a case that this was a political campaign event and not an official speech from the president. You know and I know that it was largely if not primarily a campaign event, but it's on the taxpayer dime and so I imagine that one has to make an argument here.

There is, then, two distinct issues. First, it should have been paid for by the campaign, not the taxpayer. Second, the company paying employees to attend violated campaign laws. I'd say the first argument has to be made before the second.

Of course, nothing will happen.