Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[ThatGuy11200]

As I said, this is less of a deal than her December portion. This summit literally has a youth summit (which she is too young for)?

Because important things have youth summits. Remember how important that youth summit was in planning operation overlord?

So climate change isn't important because there's a youth summit for it? What a ridiculous mindset to have.

The articles aren't about them. It is pages of Malena hammering home the climate change message.

Malena and Svante (named after Svante Arnnehius, not Svante Sture) are archetypal proud parents living vicariously through their daughter/s.

Good luck to them but let's not pretend Greta is any random schoolgirl.

Your issues with Greta are really petty.

That's well and good but she's not the first by a long chalk.

Very few of us are the first to do something. That doesn't mean what we do isn't worthwhile.

 

[BobTheCoward]

So climate change isn't important because there's a youth summit for it? What a ridiculous mindset to have.

I'm not disparaging climate change. I'm disparaging this summit as a waste to tackle the issue.

 

[Myriad]

I'm not disparaging climate change. I'm disparaging this summit as a waste to tackle the issue.

Then you should be very appreciative that Thunberg is not contributing to it!

Why is she going? She has nothing to contribute.

If you object to Thunberg not contributing to a waste of time event, why not just crank up your AC and drive some unnecessary miles and take a spontaneous weekend plane trip with last-minute bargain airfare? That'll offset the carbon emissions Thunberg isn't causing by traveling by train and sailboat. Everything in your world will be back in balance.

 

[uke2se]

The articles aren't about them. It is pages of Malena hammering home the climate change message.

You mean, in the articles you've read, Malena Ehrnman chooses to devote her time to talk about climate change? The horror.

Malena and Svante (named after Svante Arnnehius, not Svante Sture) are archetypal proud parents living vicariously through their daughter/s.

Prove it.

Good luck to them but let's not pretend Greta is any random schoolgirl.

Who said she was a random schoolgirl? What the hell are you on about?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Then you should be very appreciative that Thunberg is not contributing to it!




If you object to Thunberg not contributing to a waste of time event, why not just crank up your AC and drive some unnecessary miles and take a spontaneous weekend plane trip with last-minute bargain airfare? That'll offset the carbon emissions Thunberg isn't causing by traveling by train and sailboat. Everything in your world will be back in balance.

As I said in a separate post, my criticism is to her December leg of the trip which does look like a more effective meeting, but I could be wrong about that.

It is a two pronged complaint. One portion about the first event, and another about her second trip.

 

[uke2se]

That's well and good but she's not the first by a long chalk.

Nope, but right now, she's the best at it.

Deal with it.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Nope, but right now, she's the best at it.

Deal with it.

I would bet trump above her by Streisand effect alone.

 

[Myriad]

I would bet trump above her by Streisand effect alone.

Well, I'll grant you that Trump might end up being very effective at reducing carbon emissions and thus minimizing climate change, by causing trade wars and global recession, which he seems to be trying very hard to do.

If it plays out a little differently, though, the U.S. economy will tank while Russia's and China's boom, leaving the atmosphere and environment worse off than before.

So, we'll see who has more success in the end.

 

[theprestige]

Well, I'll grant you that Trump might end up being very effective at reducing carbon emissions and thus minimizing climate change, by causing trade wars and global recession, which he seems to be trying very hard to do.

If it plays out a little differently, though, the U.S. economy will tank while Russia's and China's boom, leaving the atmosphere and environment worse off than before.

So, we'll see who has more success in the end.

Maybe Greta should be investing her time and effort educating Russian and Chinese schoolchildren.

 

[jimbob]

Maybe Greta should be investing her time and effort educating Russian and Chinese schoolchildren.

Schoolchildren in Russia or China have little chance of influence. Schoolchildren in the West do have a chance of influence, by actually affecting public opinion. I would have thought you'd have been well aware of that.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Maybe Greta should be investing her time and effort educating Russian and Chinese schoolchildren.

Or teaching actual science in fundie states in the USA.

 

[theprestige]

<snip>

I have no opinion about that.

 

[theprestige]

Schoolchildren in Russia or China have little chance of influence. Schoolchildren in the West do have a chance of influence, by actually affecting public opinion. I would have thought you'd have been well aware of that.

As contentious as the issue is in the US, and as much hype as the American controversies get, the US is already doing a lot to reduce emissions. But none of it matters if Russia and China don't get on on board.

Changing public opinion in the US isn't going to help with that. Thunberg is picking whatever low-hanging fruit is left in the west. She's going to places where she has no language barrier, where she can move and speak freely, and where there is already a large mass of public opinion on her side. Campaigner? Yes. Brave? I mean, sailing a boat across the Atlantic is pretty brave, I guess.

 

[jimbob]

As contentious as the issue is in the US, and as much hype as the American controversies get, the US is already doing a lot to reduce emissions. But none of it matters if Russia and China don't get on on board.

Changing public opinion in the US isn't going to help with that. Thunberg is picking whatever low-hanging fruit is left in the west. She's going to places where she has no language barrier, where she can move and speak freely, and where there is already a large mass of public opinion on her side. Campaigner? Yes. Brave? I mean, sailing a boat across the Atlantic is pretty brave, I guess.

The US emits nearly twice the CO_{2[/SUB] per capita of Germany, which doesn't have a noticeably poor standard of living, whilst India has about a tenth of the US. It is pretty reasonable to ask the richest to show the way.}

 

[theprestige]

The US emits nearly twice the CO_{2[/SUB] per capita of Germany, which doesn't have a noticeably poor standard of living, whilst India has about a tenth of the US. It is pretty reasonable to ask the richest to show the way.}

_{On the other hand, the US GDP is about 8x Germany's. 4x the population, 8x the economy, but only 2x the emissions per capita doesn't seem bad. One interesting thing is that Germany spends less than the US on collective defense, both per capita and per GDP. It's effectively outsourcing some of its emissions to the US.}

 

[Checkmite]

On the other hand, the US GDP is about 8x Germany's. 4x the population, 8x the economy, but only 2x the emissions per capita doesn't seem bad.

Yes it does. "4x the population" is irrelevant since the metric is per capita; and all the "8x the GDP" establishes is that America potentially has several times the economic resources and industrial wherewithal to tackle the emissions problem than Germany has available and yet manages to be twice as bad at it.

 

[lionking]

On the other hand, the US GDP is about 8x Germany's. 4x the population, 8x the economy, but only 2x the emissions per capita doesn't seem bad.

One interesting thing is that Germany spends less than the US on collective defense, both per capita and per GDP. It's effectively outsourcing some of its emissions to the US.

You should read your posts before pressing submit.

Oh, I’m assuming you know what “per capita” means. Maybe not.

This is a post a schoolchild should be embarrassed about.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

On the other hand, the US GDP is about 8x Germany's. 4x the population, 8x the economy, but only 2x the emissions per capita doesn't seem bad.

One interesting thing is that Germany spends less than the US on collective defense, both per capita and per GDP. It's effectively outsourcing some of its emissions to the US.

Wow. None so blind....

 

[Ryokan]

So now the criticism of Thunberg is that China and Russia are bad?

Are we scraping the barrel to find things to throw at her?

 

[EHocking]

So now the criticism of Thunberg is that China and Russia are bad?

Are we scraping the barrel to find things to throw at her?

I'm surprised no one has had a go at her for the fact that 2 boat crew members have to be flown, FLOWN , out to the US to help sail the boat back to EU.

And this being ISF, then quibble for 3 pages about the actual carbon footprint reduction measures they funded to compensate for the flight.