Mosque attacked in Norway

[Skeptic Tank]

That’s awful. Why is there a mosque in Norway?

 

[learner]

Maybe for muslims to pray in?

 

[Ryokan]

Because we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly.

 

[plague311]

Because we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with Skeptic Tank, but he doesn't really agree all people should have those freedoms. He's leans a bit more towards only white people should have....really any freedoms at all. The rest are just property and problems.

 

[CORed]

The young woman killed had a family relation with the shooter.

Which does not necessarily eliminate the possibility that she was his "girlfriend".

 

[CORed]

No, you don't hate to say it: 'The innocent people who were attacked are to blame.' If you had the faintest idea about what science is, you'd know how stupid that idea is.


ETA: In your case, it probably won't make a difference since you insist that Islam is to blame, but this is what we know about the shooter's statement: Innlegget avsluttes med «Valhall venter». (VG.no, Aug. 11, 2019)
"Valhalla is waiting" or maybe "Valhalla awaits me."

So he was a believer in the old Norse religion (I'm not even sure what that was called), the one with valhalla, Odin, Thor, etc.?

 

[plague311]

Which does not necessarily eliminate the possibility that she was his "girlfriend".

It was pretty much his sister from what I understand. That would be...weird.

 

[carlitos]

Maybe it's a heavy metal thing, but Valhalla Venter Meg is a familiar phrase to me.

 

[CORed]

You know, in some bizarre kind of way, this does make sense! Method to madness, kind of thing.

I've often wondered how it is the white supremecist types reconcile worshipping a wholly brown ass, and aiming to base their lives on (some of) what this brown man of yore had allegedly taught. Those times I'd actually asked it of them, I've never got a clear answer.

So well, this does away with that contradiction, and goes back to sacrificing to the allfather instead. Like I said, makes sense in a weird kind of way.

It may help that much Christian art portrays Jesus as looking like a white boy of pure European ancestry. Almost certainly nothing like what he really looked like (assuming that he was even a real person).

 

[CORed]

It was pretty much his sister from what I understand. That would be...weird.

Well yes, but we are not talking about a normal person here. Pure speculation (or maybe just a dig at the perp). I have no idea if anything of the sort was going on.

 

[Ryokan]

It was pretty much his sister from what I understand. That would be...weird.

It was his father's girlfriend's adopted daughter.

 

[Arcade22]

It should be noted that its certainly not uncommon for spree killers to first murder one or more family members or relatives before they go on a rampage.

 

[jimbob]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/12/norway-mosque-attack-suspect-appears-in-court

He wanted to live stream his massacre and go to "Valhalla", but there was no live stream or massacre and instead he's going to prison for a long time. At least he managed to film the entire failed attack to make the job easier for the prosecution.

But he did get beaten up by someone more than 40-years his senior.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Because we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly.

And you have those things because you don't have enough muslims in your country yet.

 

[dann]

But he did get beaten up by someone more than 40-years his senior.

I guess it was old age having a go at youth, that's what it was.

 

[arthwollipot]

So he was a believer in the old Norse religion (I'm not even sure what that was called), the one with valhalla, Odin, Thor, etc.?

In Old Norse it wasn't called anything in particular. It was just religion. Today, some revivalists refer to it as Ásatrú.

 

[dann]

So he was a believer in the old Norse religion (I'm not even sure what that was called), the one with valhalla, Odin, Thor, etc.?

That would be my guess, but Ryokan said that it is also a phrase used in the army like a kind of battle cry.

Maybe it's a heavy metal thing, but Valhalla Venter Meg is a familiar phrase to me.

It is a metal thing. But the metal scene in Norway has been pretty weird. Some of the extremists used to burn Christian churches before they became mainstream racists and Nazis - with or without Norse paganism.
A pity with the old stave churches. They look like something out of GoT.

 

[Samson]

A lot of people here seem to let Islam off the hook for the same things they condemn Christinaity for.
Fact is , neither one has a particularly good record.

Islam is a disgusting and degenerative religion.
Because it preaches falsehoods to the defenceless, the children. They are blighted and prejudiced for all time.
The women are ignored in the process of empowerment. That is emphasised by the fact that the Christchurch widows could not drive or access the bank accounts.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Nobody in this thread has been 'letting Islam off the hook' as far as I can tell...
Saying that shooting up a mosque full of innocents is a bad thing, isn't the same as saying the religion of the victims is without fault...

 

[carlitos]

Islam is a disgusting and degenerative religion.

Because it preaches falsehoods to the defenceless, the children. They are blighted and prejudiced for all time.

As opposed to Christianity, where they only preach falsehoods to those over 18, I suppose?

The women are ignored in the process of empowerment. That is emphasised by the fact that the Christchurch widows could not drive or access the bank accounts.

Oh good, you have researched this. What percentage of the surviving female family members had college degrees and jobs, and what percentage were helpless with no driving licenses or bank account info? Thanks in advance for your efforts.