Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

[BobTheCoward]

Or the guards didn't pay enough attention because he looked and acted "like he wasn't about to kill himself". It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

On other hand, how often is it that a high profile prisoner is assassinated inside of a federal prison while awaiting trial? Any examples?

This review of lawsuits of jail suicides found

— Many inmates weren't checked regularly – usually every 15-30 minutes – because of staffing shortages or inadequate training.

The idea that he was supposed to be watched and wasn't may not be notable.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...stop-deaths-investigation-reveals/1486534001/

 

[IsThisTheLife]

"I was stunned by Epstein's suicide, though probably not as much as Epstein himself."

https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1160204761045463040

 

[Allen773]

No matter what your political worldview is, we can all agree: "They" killed Epstein.

 

[Mike!]

"A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably…Russian,” wrote Joe Scarborough



Is there anything Russians can't do?

"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
Remember Jeffrey?
Miles to go."

 

[IsThisTheLife]

If Epstein's suicide wasn't his idea then the hard part (as always) will be making sure an inquest affirms that it was .

 

[Checkmite]

And just like that, my social media feeds have gone full on "the Clintonista mafia" conspiracy mode.

So, it appears, have some in this thread. We've been infiltrated over the last while by several Alex Jones types.

As for your social media feeds, who the heck are you following? Mine have stayed mercifully skeptical with only a few exceptions.

 

[Checkmite]

Forget "Suicide Watch" if you've got the central figure in THE biggest and far reaching criminal case / political scandal waiting in the wings going on right now isn't keeping an eye on the dude, even without the specific reason of a suicide watch, like a good idea?

This wasn't some dude sitting in gen-pop waiting to post bail for writing bad checks.

Says who?

You think your average prison guard cared who Epstein was, or felt obligated to pay specially close attention to his safety because of how "big" his case was? LOL, no. Just another pedophile, they see a few coming through every month.

 

[jimbob]

It's a pretty damning indictment of the US prison system that someone who was put on suicide watch in July was found dead before mid August.

 

[Cavemonster]

Says who?

You think your average prison guard cared who Epstein was, or felt obligated to pay specially close attention to his safety because of how "big" his case was? LOL, no. Just another pedophile, they see a few coming through every month.

Not your average guard, but perhaps the higher-ups or management. People who have what they might term a "career"? They would know eyes were on them and it would look especially bad if a high profile prisoner killed themselves. They would be the ones to oversee that how suicide watch was implemented.

I'm not saying that simple negligence isn't a possible cause here. Just that there are some reasons to think it less likely.

 

[Checkmite]

I'm not saying that simple negligence isn't a possible cause here. Just that there are some reasons to think it less likely.

Ummm....less likely than what, exactly?

Simple negligence is the null hypothesis here.

 

[Checkmite]

It's a pretty damning indictment of the US prison system that someone who was put on suicide watch in July was found dead before mid August.

According to NBC he was not on suicide watch.

 

[rockinkt]

According to TMZ:

Law enforcement sources familiar with the matter tell TMZ ... Epstein was taken off suicide watch after he met with medical professionals who evaluated him after his first alleged suicide attempt. We're told Epstein was found to be well enough to be sent back to his cell in the Special Housing Unit without extra eyes on him. So, Epstein was briefly on suicide watch, but at some point between July 23 and today ... he was removed.
https://www.tmz.com/2019/08/10/jeffrey-epstein-dead-dies-suicide-jail/


So - blame the psychiatrists. Once again they got it wrong.

(edit: Ninja'd by Checkmite)

 

[The Atheist]

How convenient.

That was my first thought.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke, though.

 

[Cavemonster]

Ummm....less likely than what, exactly?

Simple negligence is the null hypothesis here.

Alternate hypotheses include.

Willful negligence (A guard or administrator decided that it wasn't worth working particularly hard to stop Epstein from killing himself and knowingly allowed an opportunity to happen due to an attitude ranging from apanthy to animosity)

Orchestrated opportunity (Someone wanted Epstein to have an opportunity to kill himself and purposefully created that opportunity by leaving something in his cell that shouldn't be there, leaving him unwatched, failing to intervene if they saw him starting to kill himself or any of a number of actions or deliberate inactions. Another example of this might be removing him from suicide watch if it was not appropriate to do so. In this case the instigator could be a guard, an administrator or some shadowy individual)

Outright assasination (self explanatory)

I agree that simple incompetence is more or less the null hypotheses. A strong motivation for those in charge to pay special attention to this case makes that explanation less compelling.

 

[jimbob]

According to NBC he was not on suicide watch.

It's pretty rubbish if you put someone in his situation on suicide watch on July 25th and by August 10th, he's not watched.

 

[wasapi]

It seems that there is also a possibility that he fell into the percent of suicide victims where it is part of their plan. Some people out there are sent for psych evaluations, where suicide is always brought up. And, the victim knows what to say to reduce their risk. Knowing, they will then not be on watch. Giving them the opportunity.

 

[jimbob]

It seems that there is also a possibility that he fell into the percent of suicide victims where it is part of their plan. Some people out there are sent for psych evaluations, where suicide is always brought up. And, the victim knows what to say to reduce their risk. Knowing, they will then not be on watch. Giving them the opportunity.

Maybe, just maybe, this should be accounted for.

 

[Checkmite]

Maybe, just maybe, this should be accounted for.

You can't, really. Suicidal ideation is something that has to be reported; doctors aren't just going to arbitrarily assume it on somebody's part.

The July incident which everyone is referring to as a previous suicide attempt, was allegedly claimed by Epstein to be an attack by a fellow inmate who beat him up for being an accused pedophile. If that was his story from the beginning and he stuck to it, it makes sense that he wouldn't have been kept on suicide watch.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If there was ever a conspiracy theory that had some merit and plausibility, this is it. That being that someone at a high level, with a lot of (possibly mob) influence, called the hit on this guy.

He tried earlier and failed. It's useful to look closely at that incident.

New Epstein Mystery: Suicide Attempt, Failed Hit, Or Hoax?

At a minimum, it does suggest the suicide watch was incompetent.

 

[Checkmite]

Can anyone come up with any other example of a "failed hit" in prison? I can't cite anything to support it, but I don't think "failed hits" that only leave a small bruise on the "intended victim" is something that actually happens. If someone is supposed to get murdered in prison they get murdered.