Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

It doesn't say much for the quality of the suicide watch he was under.
 
Forget "Suicide Watch" if you've got the central figure in THE biggest and far reaching criminal case / political scandal waiting in the wings going on right now isn't keeping an eye on the dude, even without the specific reason of a suicide watch, like a good idea?

This wasn't some dude sitting in gen-pop waiting to post bail for writing bad checks.
 
that didn't take long.

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BobTheCoward said:
"Ambiguous" is a real fancy way of justifying JAQing off.
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*shrugs*

Call it what you want, I am not that interested. It wouldn't surprise me if someone had simply murdered him, because that's what often happens to people accused and/or convicted of sexual abuse of minors.

Personally, I think he killed himself.
 
The oddness of there being Epstein Suicide Conspiracy Theories already well established before Epstein committed suicide aside, I still stand by my original point.

If somebody wanted Epstein dead he would have "slipped in the shower" or "wrecked his car" on a busy news day between his plea deal years ago and his second arrest.
 
If there was ever a conspiracy theory that had some merit and plausibility, this is it. That being that someone at a high level, with a lot of (possibly mob) influence, called the hit on this guy.
 
Well, probably convenient for some people, but that's no proof of murder. These things happen - his life was spectacularly collapsing so suicide would be quite a natural concequence.
 
angrysoba said:
Call it what you want, I am not that interested. It wouldn't surprise me if someone had simply murdered him, because that's what often happens to people accused and/or convicted of sexual abuse of minors.
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It's almost like you'd expect them to work extra hard to keep that from happening to such a high-profile detainee, simply because it would send a really poor signal about how insecure and unsafe the facility is.
 
Arcade22 said:
It's almost like you'd expect them to work extra hard to keep that from happening to such a high-profile detainee, simply because it would send a really poor signal about how insecure and unsafe the facility is.
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If it is true that he was already known to be suicidal, and desperation could lead to possible deals with the prosecution that might make other powerful people uncomfortable, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that those in charge of watching him might be something less than diligent. For whatever reason.

Certainly simpler than trying to put out a hit, and with less peripheral evidence to be left around.

Convenient, one might say.

It's not like anyone important is really concerned about how "unsafe" our prison are. Protests from bleeding-heart liberals aside.
 
Rats! I guess we never will get the dirt on what many billionaires, famous people, and two presidents were doing on his sex plane and sex island, where he hired prostitutes as young as 14.

Golly!
 
And just like that, my social media feeds have gone full on "the Clintonista mafia" conspiracy mode.
 
I have never bought into anything resembling a conspiracy theory. But in this case I find it nearly impossible to believe that this was a simple suicide. Epstein was one of the most high profile prisoners they had. Apparently he attempted a suicide (or was attacked) just days ago. Surely he would have now been held under the most rigid watch/protective custody conditions possible. How on earth could he commit suicide by hanging under those conditions?

Further, whatever the truth of any of the specific allegations swirling around him there is no doubt that he was an enormous embarrassment to much of our criminal justice system and probably a substantial threat to many important individuals. A large number of people are breathing easier with him dead than when he was alive, some of whom are politically powerful and some of who work within the police, court, and incarceration systems.

It is hard not to see this as the classical organized crime meme "Perhaps he could have an convenient accident?" I am not convinced that he was murdered directly by someone in authority, but perhaps he was knowingly permitted to commit suicide or to be attacked by another inmate. IMO right now: less than 1 chance in 10 that he willingly committed suicide despite the wishes and actions of the prison administration and staff.
 
"A guy who had information that would have destroyed rich and powerful men’s lives ends up dead in his jail cell. How predictably…Russian,” wrote Joe Scarborough



Is there anything Russians can't do?
 
quadraginta said:
If it is true that he was already known to be suicidal, and desperation could lead to possible deals with the prosecution that might make other powerful people uncomfortable, it isn't beyond the realm of possibility that those in charge of watching him might be something less than diligent. For whatever reason.
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Or the guards didn't pay enough attention because he looked and acted "like he wasn't about to kill himself". It wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

On other hand, how often is it that a high profile prisoner is assassinated inside of a federal prison while awaiting trial? Any examples?
 
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