Jeffrey Epstein arrested for child sex trafficking

JoeMorgue said:
Okay let's apply Occam's Razor here.

- A cabal of the Illuminati Free Mason NWO (both the wrestling faction and the secret world government) Deep State agents are out to get Epstein to silence him on their secret world wide child rape ring and were able to get into the cell of... the most important informant in modern history... but only mildly scratched his neck.

- Epstein did to himself to attention/sympathy.
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Where were the Osundairo brothers when this happened?
 
Brave New World

Now it gets genuinely dystopian:

Jeffrey Epstein, the wealthy financier accused of sex trafficking, planned to develop an improved super-race of humans using genetic engineering and artificial intelligence, according to the New York Times.
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Though there is little evidence the scheme ever progressed beyond fantasy, prominent scientists, including the late Stephen Hawking, regularly attended dinners, lunches and conferences held by Epstein, the Times said.
Epstein reportedly hoped to develop super-race of humans with his DNA (Guardian, Aug. 1, 2019)
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dann said:
Brave New World

Now it gets genuinely dystopian:
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Checkmite said:
Forgive me if that sentence marks the end of my taking this "revelation" seriously.
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The only thing that comes to mind for me is that this "revelation" might be the second step (the first being the alleged suicide attempt) towards laying the groundwork for an insanity defence, because those "revelations" contain some ******* insane ****
 
Frankly I have to object to that particular angle being raised at all. Not by Dann, but by the Times. I'm struggling to find a way to read

Though there is little evidence the scheme ever progressed beyond fantasy, prominent scientists, including the late Stephen Hawking, regularly attended dinners, lunches and conferences held by Epstein, the Times said.
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...in any way other than a suggestion that "prominent scientists, including the late Stephen Hawking", might possibly have been conspiring with Epstein to make his bizarre sexual fantasy into a reality.
 
The implication of the times article cited by the Guardian seems a little less inflammatory, suggesting that Epstein cultivated scientists (as he seems to have cultivated politicians and other celebrities too), and that they largely put up with his nonsense and bloviating because they hoped he'd fund their research. That's nothing very unusual, I suspect. The Grauniad article makes it sound as if he recruited scientists for his crazy scheme, but the NYT makes it sound more as if he just spouted in their presence, and most did not take him seriously, but just tolerated him because he gave them money.

I suspect the Epstein affair will result in very little revelation of wrongdoing or collusion on the part of the people he cultivated, but a considerable amount of embarrassment that they were so uncritical.
 
Yes, the NYT article doesn't imply that any of the scientists participated in any way in Epstein's sexual abuse of children.

Notice this addition to the article:
Correction: Aug. 1, 2019
An earlier version of this article misstated when the prominent scientists Stephen Jay Gould, Stephen Hawking, Murray Gell-Mann, Oliver Sacks and Frank Wilczek attended gatherings hosted by Jeffrey E. Epstein. The events they attended occurred before Mr. Epstein’s 2008 conviction, not after it.
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Gould died in 2002! And it's hard to imagine Hawking as a grooming pedophile, unless he lured them in by letting them play with his voice machine ...


Checkmite said:
Frankly I have to object to that particular angle being raised at all. Not by Dann, but by the Times. I'm struggling to find a way to read

Though there is little evidence the scheme ever progressed beyond fantasy, prominent scientists, including the late Stephen Hawking, regularly attended dinners, lunches and conferences held by Epstein, the Times said.
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...in any way other than a suggestion that "prominent scientists, including the late Stephen Hawking", might possibly have been conspiring with Epstein to make his bizarre sexual fantasy into a reality.
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It's the scheme mentioned in the article, his other fantasy! I.e. that he "planned to develop an improved super-race of humans using genetic engineering and artificial intelligence."
 
dann said:
It's the scheme mentioned in the article, his other fantasy! I.e. that he "planned to develop an improved super-race of humans using genetic engineering and artificial intelligence."
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No no - that's the one I'm talking about. The Guardian article elaborates:

“Epstein told scientists and businessmen about his ambitions to use his New Mexico ranch as a base where women would be inseminated with his sperm and would give birth to his babies … Mr Epstein’s goal was to have 20 women at a time impregnated at his 33,000-sq-ft Zorro Ranch in a tiny town outside Santa Fe,” the Times said.
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Thaaaaat's a sexual fantasy, not a scientific one.
 
Inseminating 20 women at a time doesn't imply having any kind of sex with them. That's what he used the children for. That's why I call it dystopian - to anybody but him.
I also wouldn't describe his dreams of discovering the scopaesthesia particle and of having his head and penis frozen down as sex dreams, even though the fulfillment of the latter should be granted as soon as he has witnessed against his pedophile buddies.


 
dann said:
Inseminating 20 women at a time doesn't imply having any kind of sex with them.
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That's true, and I wouldn't have expected him to express that detail to others whether it was part of his fantasy or not; but that doesn't make his mass-impregnation scheme not a sexual fantasy. Sexual fantasizing does not have to involve actual copulation....or indeed any sex act on the part of the fantasist. BDSM play for instance is inherently sexual, but individual "sessions" often may not involve any sexual contact at all; often the "power" one has over an individual, or the agency one surrenders, is the basis of the sexual excitement rather than any directly sexual act.

There are forms of this that are far less benign as well. A peeping tom for instance does not necessarily have to witness a victim naked or in a state of undress to get a sexual charge out of spying on them; the fact that he is blatantly violating their privacy without consent and there is nothing they can do about it is sufficient. The motivation of "flashers" who jump out from hiding and expose themselves to women and children is very similar. And more than one serial murderer is believed by analysts to have a sexual motivation for his crime even though the method of killing doesn't involve any overtly sexual violation.

More specifically, the idea of using women as human breeding-cattle is a fairly established misogynist sexual fantasy. It usually lives in internet pornographic fiction by said misogynists, but occasionally it leaks out of that bubble; "supreme gentleman" Elliot Roger, who detailed his "war on women" in a manifesto he posted online before his 2014 shooting rampage, described a fantasized future society in which women were deprived of all agency and used only for an industrial-scale breeding program. In Epstein's case, the fact that dozens of women at a time are being sexually penetrated and impregnated with his sperm gives away the personal sexual nature of the fantasy even if he doesn't imagine himself performing the task with his own body. It's also worth pointing out there's no real evidence separating this "breeding" fantasy from his habit for violating underage girls, most of whom were at least technically of childbearing age, and his expressed fantasy doesn't mention any age threshold for the women he intends to impregnate in his "breeding program".
 
Checkmite said:
More specifically, the idea of using women as human breeding-cattle is a fairly established misogynist sexual fantasy. It usually lives in internet pornographic fiction by said misogynists, but occasionally it leaks out of that bubble;
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Based on my experience i have no hesitance in pointing out that such sexual fantasies are not by any means exclusive to either "misogynists", or men for that matter. Sexual and erotic fiction based upon such "misogynist" premises are often produced by women, and much of it is consumed by women. Not unlike how women are often the ones aroused by sexual fantasies of rape, which are arguably just as "misogynist".

Unless you are going to suggest that these women are crypto-misogynists, who secretly want to be enslaved and robbed of their autonomy while otherwise publicly voicing support for women's rights, I'd suggest you rephrase yourself.

Of course it's obvious why such fantasies would appeal to sexually frustrated and socially retarded narcissists like Elliot Roger, but it's hardly the only kind of person who'd find it arousing. You'd find no shortage of men who'd find it appealing to have a harem of beautiful young women, and there are no shortage of historical examples of similar things actually being enacted.
 
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Arcade22 said:
Based on my experience i have no hesitance in pointing out that such sexual fantasies are not by any means exclusive to either "misogynists", or men for that matter. Sexual and erotic fiction based upon such "misogynist" premises are often produced by women, and much of it is consumed by women. Not unlike how women are often the ones aroused by sexual fantasies of rape, which are arguably just as "misogynist".

Unless you are going to suggest that these women are crypto-misogynists, who secretly want to be enslaved and robbed of their autonomy while otherwise publicly voicing support for women's rights, I'd suggest you rephrase yourself.
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I see no need. My experience does not match yours, and "misogynist" as an objective description of the character of this fantasy is both understandable and defensible. If a woman who is publicly a feminist activist decides to post that she is personally offended that I referred to "breeding cattle" fantasies as misogynist, I'll be happy to revisit my characterization. Until then, it's unnecessary; and is ultimately an irrelevant hijack. Whether one wants to dispute that it's misogynist or not, it is undoubtedly a sexual fantasy, which is the actual point vis-a-vis Epstein.
 
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Shocking that anyone can kill themselves in prison. Where were the prison guards surveilling him?

Oh well, I guess that gets the likes of Prince Andrew off the hook.
 
Found hung in his cell about 7:30 this morning is the word hitting the streets, pretty much literally no other details yet.
 
smartcooky said:
Hmm, suicide Eh?

A likely story. I wonder who put the hit out on him?
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BobTheCoward said:
This is a joke right?
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I remember that he had been found in his cell a week ago or more after an apparent suicide.

Was that a hit gone wrong?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...in-found-unconscious-in-jail-cell-say-reports

I suppose the evidence is ambiguous...

Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier facing charges of sex trafficking involving dozens of underage girls, was found unconscious in a Manhattan jail cell with injuries to his neck, US media reported late on Wednesday, citing unidentified sources.

Epstein was found by guards sprawled on the floor of his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) on Wednesday, it was reported.

The wealthy financier was taken to hospital, according to the New York Post, but it was unclear where he was taken or what his condition was.

It was not clear how he suffered his injuries. A source familiar with the situation told the Guardian that Epstein had allegedly been attacked. Two anonymous sources told New York’s local NBC News 4 that Epstein’s injuries may have been self-inflicted.
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That incident was in July.
 
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