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Today's Mass Shooting

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Dr.Sid said:
It's just fashion now. Maybe ridiculing it can help ? Like every time you report on mass shooting, you will call the shooter 'Mr. Smalldick'. I mean every shooter. Again. And again.
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I've been practicing this for years. There are several of these shooters I exclusively use derisive nicknames for, and I intend to continue doing so.

I firmly believe the concept of "everlasting infamy" appeals to these types, so I'm entirely onboard with taking it away from them.

For the same reason I'd like more of them to be taken alive, because I don't think any of them go into these things planning to face any consequences. They're suicide runs, and I think if they were far less sure of being able to escape facing their families, their victims, the prison system and beyond, they might not act.
 
Checkmite said:
Reports that past tweets referring to Mexican immigrants as an "invasion" are being deleted from President Trump's Twitter account.
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I thought Tweets were official Presidential statements?
 
Checkmite said:
This is a weird one. It's nothing but my inexpert opinion, but I find it extremely unlikely that the shooter's sister winding up dead in this attack is a coincidence. At the same time though the amount of firepower he brought, also in my opinion, makes it extremely unlikely that he for instance originally only planned to kill his sister, and then only after the deed was done made a snap decision that "well I'm did now, screw it" and to go down in a blaze of inglory. This was a planned mass-shooting from the beginning.
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I tend to agree.

To use a somewhat insensitive expression, you don't go in loaded for bear if all you intend to do is kill a rabbit.
 
jimbob said:
Well maybe if it's too soon to talk about action due to this mass shooting, how about taking action to deal with Columbine now?
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Columbine High School is still plagued by unwanted visitors obsessed with the events of 20 years ago. The Jefferson County school board considered tearing down the school and building a replacement on a different site. They decided to increase security measures instead.
 
Pennsylvania shopper arrested after making threats about Temple University while buying ammunition at Walmart

Investigators say as 29-year-old Patrick Buhler bought five boxes of bullets commonly used in an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle Wednesday at the store, Buhler made concerning statements about Temple to two different customers.

"He was making threats that were not only concerning but ended up being criminal," said Weintraub.

Buhler said he knew who patrolled the campus, what their response time was and that he bought the ammo because he knew cops wear bullet proof vests. He even said you will see something on the news in the next couple of days and weeks. Weintraub says the comments did not sit well with Walmart's staff.

"They did a background check of their system and saw that this now-defendant was making very similar purchases at Walmarts in the area,"
Police say Buhler bought more bullets, knives, propane tanks a two-way radio and binoculars at those stores. They arrested him Thursday at his house in Morrisville but did not find any guns. He also has a home in Upper Mount Bethel Township, Northampton County.

Buhler told cops his comments were a mistake and he did not know what he was thinking when he said them. Yet he was arrested this past April in Flemington, New Jersey for illegally possessing assault weapons, rifles, handguns, large capacity magazines and multiple rounds of illegal ammo.
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If only all imminent mass-shooters were stupid enough to give themselves away like this - and if only all listeners would respond to hearing such things the same way these Walmart employees did.
 
Checkmite said:
Pennsylvania shopper arrested after making threats about Temple University while buying ammunition at Walmart



If only all imminent mass-shooters were stupid enough to give themselves away like this - and if only all listeners would respond to hearing such things the same way these Walmart employees did.
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Looks like a spree shooter in waiting. All he would need is the trigger.

Right there, those Walmart employees and customers have probably just saved a lot of young lives!

"They did a background check of their system and saw that this now-defendant was making very similar purchases at Walmarts in the area,"
Police say Buhler bought more bullets, knives, propane tanks a two-way radio and binoculars at those stores. They arrested him Thursday at his house in Morrisville but did not find any guns. He also has a home in Upper Mount Bethel Township, Northampton County."

He had been previously arrested for possessing illegal firearms, so he's is probably smart enough to stash them. If I was PA Police, I would right now be checking to see if he owns storage anywhere.
 
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Puppycow said:
Not to minimize that, but Mexico has murder problems of its own.

Murder rate in Mexico soars to new record (2 Aug 2019)

(17,000 in half a years is about the same as the US has in a whole year (2017 was the latest figures I could find from the FBI). But the population of Mexico is less than half, so do the math and it's over 4 times the US rate.)


Third Mexican journalist killed in a week amid record murder rate (4 Aug 2019)
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And you felt the need to post this not relevant tu quoque, why?
 
Steve said:
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Maybe Tyson is saying that the shootings are statistically insignificant until the other listed issues are addressed and eradicated. I think most people would disagree.
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His argument applied to allocation of resources made sense. His Tweet just after yet another massacre did not.
 
Checkmite said:
I'm not sure I'm ready to agree that the white supremacy-motivated mass shootings are less common than simple rage-outs or ones for which a motive can't be determined, among white mass shooters. It may well be the case though; I haven't exactly done any surveys.
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I'm comfortable saying it's less common. Men overwhelmingly commit these types of murders, and most men in the U.S., where we hear most of it, are white.

Checkmite said:
I will say that it's my impression the white-nationalist/racially-motivated incidents have become more common within the last several years than they were previously; but I may even be wrong about that.
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I get that impression as well. I think they feed off one another. It's one of the new themes among mass killings, it seems, or at least surging in popularity.
 
The solution to all this is simple.

The Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms. The Constitution is sacred and cannot be changed.

Ban bullets.
 
Checkmite said:
Pennsylvania shopper arrested after making threats about Temple University while buying ammunition at Walmart

If only all imminent mass-shooters were stupid enough to give themselves away like this - and if only all listeners would respond to hearing such things the same way these Walmart employees did.
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Yeah, thank goodness he ran his mouth. And good on those Walmart employees too. This isn't the right time for a joke, but there's a famous line from Tuco in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly: "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
 
Dr.Sid said:
It's just fashion now. Maybe ridiculing it can help ? Like every time you report on mass shooting, you will call the shooter 'Mr. Smalldick'. I mean every shooter. Again. And again.
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Ridiculing the shooters is all a bit late.

You can hope that someone who has a gun will not go on a mass shooting spree because the last person to do so was called Smalldick by someone on the internet or you can stop them going on a shooting spree by stopping them getting a gun.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And you felt the need to post this not relevant tu quoque, why?
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It's not irrelevant in my opinion. Nor did I post it as a tu quoque. Here is the story I was responding to:

Mexican government may seek extradition of El Paso shooter, access to investigation

There's plenty of murders on their own side of the border they could be investigating instead. This guy will likely get the death penalty anyway because it's Texas. What they are proposing would mostly be redundant.
 
Here's a less-blurry image of the kind of drum-magazine the Daytona shooter was using with his weapon. Look at this damn thing.

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Some absolute penis is selling these things while saying "self-defense!" with a wink and a grin, like the makers of all these kinds of mods do.
 
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Checkmite said:
Here's a less-blurry image of the kind of drum-magazine the Daytona shooter was using with his weapon. Look at this damn thing.

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Some absolute penis is selling these things while saying "self-defense!" with a wink and a grin, like the makers of all these kinds of mods do.
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It is designed for one thing, and one thing only - to allow the shooter to kill as many people as possible in the shortest possible time.

Why are these things even legal?
 
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