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Mueller Investigation pt 6

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thaiboxerken said:
"Process crime" is nonsense language used by jerkholes that want to dismiss the criminality of someone they want to defend.
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Not to mention that "process crimes" and "perjury traps" are among the easiest acts of criminality to avoid - all you have to do is tell the truth.

In every case, without exception, lying to the FBI is a choice made by the liar.
 
If I destroy evidence to prevent investigators from proving that I did a crime, that doesn't mean the crime didn't happen, only that it is probably much harder to prove than just the fact that I did tamper with evidence.
If we discount lying to investigators as a mere "process crime", we are in fact just rewarding brazen liars.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
If I destroy evidence to prevent investigators from proving that I did a crime, that doesn't mean the crime didn't happen, only that it is probably much harder to prove than just the fact that I did tamper with evidence.
If we discount lying to investigators as a mere "process crime", we are in fact just rewarding brazen liars.
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In the thousands of years it has taken for law exist in the form it does today, nobody thought to ask these questions?!

I can't imagine summoning the hubris it must take to think that the sly tactics every child has tried out by age 4 is some next-level criminal genius.
 
Belz... said:
Indeed.

However, it's disheartening to see how the standard changes when it's the man on (general) your side.
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Yeah, like when it's about a Republican.

Read what I said about Clinton AT THE TIME. It's completely consistent with what I'm saying about the perjurer in chief now. And in the posts I dug up from the way-back machine, Fast Eddie B has also been consistent.

The subject of the perjury matters.
 
smartcooky said:
I don't consider betraying your own country to be a process crime. It was serious enough that the judge in his case considered his actions treasonous (even if it technically cannot be treason because of the strange wording of US law as to the requirement of a state of war needing to exist)

In any other western country, a citizen doing what Flynn did could be prosecuted for High Treason.
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Cabbage said:
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Same thing happened earlier (in this thread?) about whether the Mueller report contained cases of obstruction (I think that was the issue).
 
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smartcooky said:
I don't consider betraying your own country to be a process crime. It was serious enough that the judge in his case considered his actions treasonous (even if it technically cannot be treason because of the strange wording of US law as to the requirement of a state of war needing to exist)

In any other western country, a citizen doing what Flynn did could be prosecuted for High Treason.
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You seem to be conflating the perjury charge with other, unspecified charges. I'm talking specifically about the perjury charge.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Just tell the truth after taking an oath to do so.
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No the right thing to do was object to the question because it was totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. But politically that was questionable so the whole thing worked great. Sure the case got thrown out because it wasn't anything but they got him in a politically questionable situation almost as bad as Jeff Sessions lying to congress, though that question was actually relevant to the hearing at the time. But hey lying under oath doesn't count when it is congress or something.

Like how lying on your security clearance documents is a felony unless you are the president's son in law.
 
theprestige said:
You seem to be conflating the perjury charge with other, unspecified charges. I'm talking specifically about the perjury charge.
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As I said in the next post, perjury charges are the easiest charges to avoid - don't tell lies.

A perjury trap is a construct created by the perjurer himself..... he builds the trap by acting in an illegal fashion, and then springs it when he lies to investigators about it.
 
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smartcooky said:
As I said in the next post, perjury charges are the easiest charges to avoid - don't tell lies.
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Bah lying isn't a problem if it was drunky mcrapeface would be in prison instead of on the supreme court. Clearly the only wrong place to lie is in irrelevant questions in a civil lawsuit. Criminal investigations, security clearances, or to congress that is all the right kind of lying.
 
smartcooky said:
As I said in the next post, perjury charges are the easiest charges to avoid - don't tell lies.
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Which has what to do with the treason you were talking about?

A perjury trap is a construct created by the perjurer himself..... he builds the trap by acting in an illegal fashion, and then springs it when he lies to investigators about it.
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Which has what to do with the treason you were talking about?

Also, the thing that was lied about was not actually illegal.
 
smartcooky said:
A perjury trap is a construct created by the perjurer himself..... he builds the trap by acting in an illegal fashion, and then springs it when he lies to investigators about it.
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No it isn't. A true perjury trap is base on anomaly hunting and inconsistency in memory from testimony months or years apart. You can be trying to be entirely truthful but with the inconsistency of memory your testimony might vary slightly over time. That is what a true perjury trap is. When a prosecutor asks highly detailed and specific questions months or years apart and because your memory just isn't perfect you answer differently and bang you are guilty of perjury.
 
theprestige said:
Which has what to do with the treason you were talking about?


Which has what to do with the treason you were talking about?

Also, the thing that was lied about was not actually illegal.
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Exactly there was nothing wrong with working with foreign powers to kidnap people on american soil, that is a totally legal activity.
 
theprestige said:
Which has what to do with the treason you were talking about?


Which has what to do with the treason you were talking about?

Also, the thing that was lied about was not actually illegal.
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And we know that it was a plea bargain, so your point is pretty irrelevant.

I suppose tax-evasion was a fairly minor crime to get Al Capone on. The fact of Flynn's other crimes is pertinent.
 
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