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Bill Casey & Ralph Rene books

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Bill Kaysing & Ralph Rene books

I found both there books are available on Amazon, my question is who gets the royalties. Is it remaining family members or has some one bought the rights. If it is the latter I will pass on the purchase.

Dean
 
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It looks like Bill Kaysing book is also a bootleg published by creatspace a company owned by amazon. Does anyone have an extra copy new used in good condition, there is no way I am giving my money to Amazon. I know he has a daughter I wonder if she sill has anything to do with continuing her fathers legacy. Or if anyone knows where I can get a copy from a legit publisher.

Dean
 
It looks like Bill Kaysing book is also a bootleg published by creatspace a company owned by amazon. Does anyone have an extra copy new used in good condition, there is no way I am giving my money to Amazon. I know he has a daughter I wonder if she sill has anything to do with continuing her fathers legacy. Or if anyone knows where I can get a copy from a legit publisher.

Dean

Bill Kaysing was an ignorant moron. Let me educate you as to some of the idiotic crap that infected this guy's worldview

1. Challenger didn't explode because of the O-Ring problem, NASA blew it up to murder Christa McAuliffe because she refused to go along with the alleged lie that you couldn't see stars in space.

2. Roberta Bondar, Canada's first women astronaut, never actually made it in space, because she was on the Shuttle, and the Shuttle doesn't actually go into space, it remains in the atmosphere.

3. Kaysing attempted to sue astronaut Jim Lovell (Gemini 7 & 12, Apollo 8 & 13) for slander in 1997 when Lovell called Kaysing's theories "wacky." The case was thrown out of court in 1999. To be fair to Kaysing, it has to be said that he was unable to challenge the decision because he had run out of money and was being evicted from his trailer at the time.

4. NASA murdered the Apollo 1 astronauts (Grissom, Chaffee and White) in 1967 because, allegedly, they knew the Apollo program could ever work in taking men to the moon.

Now why on earth would you want to read any of his crap, let alone pay anyone for it?


ETA: I am given to understand the his daughter, Wendy, wants nothing to do with her father's crackpot theories!
 
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It looks like Bill Kaysing book is also a bootleg published by creatspace a company owned by amazon. Does anyone have an extra copy new used in good condition, there is no way I am giving my money to Amazon. I know he has a daughter I wonder if she sill has anything to do with continuing her fathers legacy. Or if anyone knows where I can get a copy from a legit publisher.

Dean

It is trivially easy to google up a scanned copy of his book. Odd that this never occurred to you.
 
"Now why on earth would you want to read any of his crap, let alone pay anyone for it?"
It will make a great conversation piece

"It is trivially easy to google up a scanned copy of his book. Odd that this never occurred to you."
Limited computer savyness.

Dean
 
Bill Kaysing was an ignorant moron. Let me educate you as to some of the idiotic crap that infected this guy's worldview

1. Challenger didn't explode because of the O-Ring problem, NASA blew it up to murder Christa McAuliffe because she refused to go along with the alleged lie that you couldn't see stars in space.

2. Roberta Bondar, Canada's first women astronaut, never actually made it in space, because she was on the Shuttle, and the Shuttle doesn't actually go into space, it remains in the atmosphere.

3. Kaysing attempted to sue astronaut Jim Lovell (Gemini 7 & 12, Apollo 8 & 13) for slander in 1997 when Lovell called Kaysing's theories "wacky." The case was thrown out of court in 1999. To be fair to Kaysing, it has to be said that he was unable to challenge the decision because he had run out of money and was being evicted from his trailer at the time.

4. NASA murdered the Apollo 1 astronauts (Grissom, Chaffee and White) in 1967 because, allegedly, they knew the Apollo program could ever work in taking men to the moon.

Now why on earth would you want to read any of his crap, let alone pay anyone for it?


ETA: I am given to understand the his daughter, Wendy, wants nothing to do with her father's crackpot theories!

5. He frequently tried to give the impression that he'd been an engineer at Rocketdyne. He'd say things like "back when I worked at Rocketdyne" , then throw out some techno-babble he'd learned by rote memorization, frequently out of any meaningful context. In reality he had a bachelor's degree in English and ran Rocketdyne's publishing department for a couple of years. He printed and distributed documents and drawings internally and among contractors and suppliers, but he had no understanding of what was in those documents, or anything that Rocketdyne made.

6. His understanding of physics was so deficient that he once made a vacuum chamber with a glove set into the side to "prove" that the A7L couldn't be moved in a vacuum. Setting aside the fact that he used an industrial rubber glove rather than an actual A7L glove designed to move when pressurized, he evacuated his chamber to produce a pressure differential of 1 atmosphere. The A7Ls were only pressurized to 3.7 psi.
 
5. He frequently tried to give the impression that he'd been an engineer at Rocketdyne. He'd say things like "back when I worked at Rocketdyne" , then throw out some techno-babble he'd learned by rote memorization, frequently out of any meaningful context. In reality he had a bachelor's degree in English and ran Rocketdyne's publishing department for a couple of years. He printed and distributed documents and drawings internally and among contractors and suppliers, but he had no understanding of what was in those documents, or anything that Rocketdyne made.

Yep, like this quote from the introducton to his 'book' (and that really is insulting to the word 'book').

"Why, of all people, shouldn't I be captivated with the prospect of seeing the fruition of my work and the labors of thousands of others who had contributed to the Apollo voyage programs?"

Which makes it sound like von Braun was his right hand man.

The introduction is so littered with strawman fallacies and out and out falsehoods that any sane reader should dismiss it as nonsense before they even get to the 'no stars' ignorance.
 
6. His understanding of physics was so deficient that he once made a vacuum chamber with a glove set into the side to "prove" that the A7L couldn't be moved in a vacuum. Setting aside the fact that he used an industrial rubber glove rather than an actual A7L glove designed to move when pressurized, he evacuated his chamber to produce a pressure differential of 1 atmosphere. The A7Ls were only pressurized to 3.7 psi.
I think that was in fact Ralph René. Who also claimed that π equals 3.14.
 
I think that was in fact Ralph René. Who also claimed that π equals 3.14.

Correct; that was indeed Rene who built the glove box and also claimed a finite value for pi.

As for his book, Rene himself gave me permission to share it freely. My impression at the time was that he had given up any further hope of getting any money for it, and bitterly resented authors David Percy and Mary Bennett for what he perceived as their having usurped his market. Hence he just wanted the book to be available to any who wanted it. However, depending on the terms of the sale of his intellectual property to Jarrah White, White is not necessarily bound to respect that license, even if I could substantiate to a legal degree of certainty that I possess such a license. (Rene wasn't playing with a full deck for most of the last ten years of his life, even by conspiracy theorist standards. So I bet a good copyright attorney would have no problem challenging any license I might claim.) Accordingly I do not make it available anymore, having no clear license to do so. If White wants to try to get rich hawking someone else's nonsense, I guess he's entitled to that reputation.
 
5. He frequently tried to give the impression that he'd been an engineer at Rocketdyne. He'd say things like "back when I worked at Rocketdyne" , then throw out some techno-babble he'd learned by rote memorization, frequently out of any meaningful context. In reality he had a bachelor's degree in English and ran Rocketdyne's publishing department for a couple of years. He printed and distributed documents and drawings internally and among contractors and suppliers, but he had no understanding of what was in those documents, or anything that Rocketdyne made.

6. His understanding of physics was so deficient that he once made a vacuum chamber with a glove set into the side to "prove" that the A7L couldn't be moved in a vacuum. Setting aside the fact that he used an industrial rubber glove rather than an actual A7L glove designed to move when pressurized, he evacuated his chamber to produce a pressure differential of 1 atmosphere. The A7Ls were only pressurized to 3.7 psi.

No this was actually Ralph Rene who did the glove in vacuum "demonstration", but your pressures are correct so the vacuum was much greater than the Apollo Moon walkers encountered. The A17 crew both complained a little during their EVAs as their fingers/hands became a little sore from the resistance that was encountered.
 
5. He frequently tried to give the impression that he'd been an engineer at Rocketdyne. He'd say things like "back when I worked at Rocketdyne" , then throw out some techno-babble he'd learned by rote memorization, frequently out of any meaningful context. In reality he had a bachelor's degree in English and ran Rocketdyne's publishing department for a couple of years. He printed and distributed documents and drawings internally and among contractors and suppliers, but he had no understanding of what was in those documents, or anything that Rocketdyne made.

That's correct, although the official record of his employment that I got from Boeing via Kaysing himself listed "Service Engineer" as one of the job positions he held at Rocketdyne. Kaysing himself was never able to provide an unambiguous definition for that job, nor -- as we've seen -- display any expert or competent knowledge of engineering. By the time I obtained the employment record, Rocketdyne had been bought by Boeing. Nobody at Boeing's HR department had a good idea what a "service engineer" might have meant to Rocketdyne decades previously. To them at the time I asked, such analysts and "engineers" were primarily tasked with routing and tracking work requests of various types to appropriate units. That requires some technical understanding of who does what work, but it doesn't require a degree or licensure as an engineer, nor any great knowledge of how the machinery worked. I would expect someone with good communication skills and some on-the-job experience with the company's products to be able to do that job. What's even more suspicious is that Kaysing never provided much detail on what projects he actually worked on at Rocketdyne. Nothing in his work record substantiates that he worked on any projects there associated with Apollo.
 
That's correct, although the official record of his employment that I got from Boeing via Kaysing himself listed "Service Engineer" as one of the job positions he held at Rocketdyne. Kaysing himself was never able to provide an unambiguous definition for that job, nor -- as we've seen -- display any expert or competent knowledge of engineering. By the time I obtained the employment record, Rocketdyne had been bought by Boeing. Nobody at Boeing's HR department had a good idea what a "service engineer" might have meant to Rocketdyne decades previously.


It could be like Red Dwarf, where a "Technician, Third Class" was the guy who cleared plugged nozzles in the mess hall's chicken soup dispenser. :D
 
It could be like Red Dwarf, where a "Technician, Third Class" was the guy who cleared plugged nozzles in the mess hall's chicken soup dispenser. :D

Which would certainly help with the F-1's notorious early combustion instability. :D

The package Kaysing sent me seemed to suggest merely working at Rocketdyne was all the qualification he needed. He had no problem emphasizing his role as a publications and documents guy. We're trying to look at his previous jobs there and surmise what technical knowledge he had. And that's part of it, of course. But he conveyed to me the impression that working the publications department was what gave him authority to speak, since he says he saw everything that was published. When we say he wasn't a qualified engineer, that's actually something of a straw man. He didn't seem to predicate the majority of his argument on any claim to be one.

What we don't see, but would hope to see, from such a person is the smoking gun. If it really was a hoax, and Kaysing was in a position to know it, we'd expect smuggled-out documents or sincere attestations to the existence of documents that actually talk about a hoax. Mostly he talks about problems with the F-1, which were common knowledge, and alleged anomalies with the LM descent engine, which Rocketdyne didn't make. (Rocketdyne made components of the ascent engine, but not until after Kaysing had left.) And, of course, he talks about things that have nothing to do with Rocketdyne, such as the expectation of seeing "trillions" of stars.

Granted the conspiracy theory was in its infancy when Kaysing wrote. So he probably didn't think he had to lay much foundation for the story. Of course the real fun part is where we find evidence he made up the whole hoax story to try to embarrass the U.S. government over its treatment of veterans from the Vietnam war. He roundaboutedly admitted to this during a radio interview.
 
Which would certainly help with the F-1's notorious early combustion instability. :D

The package Kaysing sent me seemed to suggest merely working at Rocketdyne was all the qualification he needed. He had no problem emphasizing his role as a publications and documents guy. We're trying to look at his previous jobs there and surmise what technical knowledge he had. And that's part of it, of course. But he conveyed to me the impression that working the publications department was what gave him authority to speak, since he says he saw everything that was published. When we say he wasn't a qualified engineer, that's actually something of a straw man. He didn't seem to predicate the majority of his argument on any claim to be one.

What we don't see, but would hope to see, from such a person is the smoking gun. If it really was a hoax, and Kaysing was in a position to know it, we'd expect smuggled-out documents or sincere attestations to the existence of documents that actually talk about a hoax. Mostly he talks about problems with the F-1, which were common knowledge, and alleged anomalies with the LM descent engine, which Rocketdyne didn't make. (Rocketdyne made components of the ascent engine, but not until after Kaysing had left.) And, of course, he talks about things that have nothing to do with Rocketdyne, such as the expectation of seeing "trillions" of stars.

Granted the conspiracy theory was in its infancy when Kaysing wrote. So he probably didn't think he had to lay much foundation for the story. Of course the real fun part is where we find evidence he made up the whole hoax story to try to embarrass the U.S. government over its treatment of veterans from the Vietnam war. He roundaboutedly admitted to this during a radio interview.
Ah that would be Derek's friend, who has yet presented his evidence of a fakery. Derek indicated that "John" had sent the evidence to a reporter at a major Chicago newspaper, but we have yet to see any of the bits and pieces. Perhaps the reported did due diligence and found the work incorrect, we may never know.
 
Perhaps the reported did due diligence and found the work incorrect, we may never know.

Or perhaps neither "John" nor the Chicago reporter actually exist, which would be more par for the course as the Aulis authors play it.

Kaysing never claimed to have a smoking gun. At least not of the specific character I'm talking about. That's simply what I would expect from someone who claims he had full access to Rocketdyne's publications. Anything less than frank discussion of an actual hoax would require some interpretation on Kaysing's part to get from his evidence to his conclusion. And that leaves open the possibility that he doesn't understand the evidence, or that in a fit of retribution against his government he simply made up his conclusion out of whole cloth.

But we don't even get that. He says the F-1 was a disaster. Fine, at the time he worked there, it was. But he left before the F-1 was fixed. So at most he's an authority on the problem, not on the eventual solution. If you leave a play sometime in the middle of Act Two, you don't get to claim the play is disappointing because the conflicts remain unresolved. In any case, no special inside knowledge was required to know the F-1 had combustion stability problems. It was in the news. Similarly he says the LM descent engine should have dug a huge crater in the lunar surface because that's what he says he saw at Rocketdyne. First, the DPS was built by a different company; Kaysing didn't see it fire. Second, Rocketdyne never tested rockets by firing them where the plume significantly impinged on dirt.
 

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