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Mueller Investigation pt 6

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IsThisTheLife said:
Has it ever occurred to you wonder what people mean by "wearing out" a word? What will you and your like do when you finally wear out 'racist'?
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We probably don't agree on much but I think this is a valid point. Opponents need fresh language and fresh arguments to get their point across. They need to appeal to the values of decent conservatives. There are some. That doesn't mean letting Trump of the hook for genuine racism but the word, however accurate, is overused IMO.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
LoL. Opinions? You mean the "opinions" fed to corporate media performers like Rachel Maddow and disseminated to a gullible public, the ones citing "unnamed" "Russian officials"? The "opnions" compiled and added to in a certain "report" by an ex-MI6 weasel trading on his old-boy network connections? Those "opinions"?
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Do you think there was Russian interference in the 2016 election?
 
I disagree. Trumpies don't have to be coddled. We shouldn't be restricted from using terms that perfectly describe an attitude as observed. They should not be allowed to define the terms for rhetoric here.
 
Minoosh said:
We probably don't agree on much but I think this is a valid point. Opponents need fresh language and fresh arguments to get their point across. They need to appeal to the values of decent conservatives. There are some. That doesn't mean letting Trump of the hook for genuine racism but the word, however accurate, is overused IMO.
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I took the comment much differently, I took it to mean that liberals accuse people of being racist too much.

And, of course that's true in a brute fact sort of way: what are the odds that, given the millions of people who are against racism, that accusations of racism would exactly equal actual incidents of racism? Nothing involving separate behavior of millions of people would be that exact.

But that reduces his complaint to just about nothing. Ultimately, it does nothing to blunt a specific accusation of racism to say that, sometimes, accusations of racism are unfounded. You still have to do the hard work of figuring out whether something is racist or not.
 
The intelligence chiefs testified to the senate that there was election interference by the Russians. Mueller just testified the same to Congressional Investigation Committees.

If it's all made up for Rachel Maddow, then it's both elaborate and risky for those involved.
 
Minoosh said:
We probably don't agree on much but I think this is a valid point. Opponents need fresh language and fresh arguments to get their point across. They need to appeal to the values of decent conservatives. There are some. That doesn't mean letting Trump of the hook for genuine racism but the word, however accurate, is overused IMO.
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It should be noted that the person making this point lobbed the "socialist" canard in the post immediately preceding, and then pivoted to complaining about overused terms without the slightest bit of self-awareness.

Accusations of racism might be overused, but at least we haven't lost a sense of what racism actually is.

The term "socialist" has truly lost all meaning.

It's simply become a pejorative term.
 
Paul2 said:
I took the comment much differently, I took it to mean that liberals accuse people of being racist too much.

And, of course that's true in a brute fact sort of way: what are the odds that, given the millions of people who are against racism, that accusations of racism would exactly equal actual incidents of racism? Nothing involving separate behavior of millions of people would be that exact.

But that reduces his complaint to just about nothing. Ultimately, it does nothing to blunt a specific accusation of racism to say that, sometimes, accusations of racism are unfounded. You still have to do the hard work of figuring out whether something is racist or not.
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A thousand people could tell me that the color red is actually blue.

That would not impair my ability to recognize the color blue.
 
johnny karate said:
A thousand people could tell me that the color red is actually blue.

That would not impair my ability to recognize the color blue.
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Point taken. I was thinking of a worst-case scenario, but there are surely plenty of easy cases.
 
Paul2 said:
Point taken. I was thinking of a worst-case scenario, but there are surely plenty of easy cases.
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I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, just pointing out the inanity of the oft-repeated argument from conservatives that somehow a false accusation of racism makes it impossible to know what actually racism is.
 
I wasn't calling him a racist...I was providing an example of the tu qoque that he indilged in re: partisanship. Pointing out someone is partisan...is partisan.
 
Susheel said:
I wasn't calling him a racist...I was providing an example of the tu qoque that he indilged in re: partisanship. Pointing out someone is partisan...is partisan.
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Oh, I know. My comment wasn't directed at you either. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
 
plague311 said:
I saw a meme recently that thanked Trumpers for wearing the red hats as it makes them easily identifiable. I have to agree in this case, and when it comes to people like IsThisTheLife, it's a breath of fresh air when they show you who they are. He advertised that it makes absolutely no difference if you give him any quality information. He isn't a skeptic, he isn't interested in intelligent conversation, he's interested in being partisan.

I dig that. It's nice to not have to waste any time.
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Hopefully this doesn't lead to a wave of inadvertent egging of St. Louis Cardinals fans.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
But I am most definitely partisan, no bones, in so far that I'm as anti-liberal, anti-socialist, anti-SJW as it's possible for anyone to be.
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Thanks for admitting your prejudice. Personally, I try not to be partisan, much as I very much am firmly opposed to brazen lies and deception.

IsThisTheLife said:
I utterly despise the posturing, the hypocrisy, the lying and the underlying venality that really motivates "liberalism", whether it's in privileged middle-class poseurs or entitled, stupid ne're-do-wells who think the world owes them a living.
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Mmm. Fallen for the picture painted by the wannabe oligarchs who have been hating the fact that government has been restricting their ability to treat their workers like slaves and been quietly twisting the conversation more and more for more than the last half century, eh? Calhoun and Koch would be happy to read what you just posted. Here's a small reminder of what liberalism actually means, though.

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism (free markets), democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]
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What parts of that, specifically, do you oppose?

johnny karate said:
Serious question: Do we have any conservative posters left here who don’t peddle conspiracy theories?
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I suspect that RedBaronFarms is a possibility?
 
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johnny karate said:
I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, just pointing out the inanity of the oft-repeated argument from conservatives that somehow a false accusation of racism makes it impossible to know what actually racism is.
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Right, we’re on the same page.
 
Belz... said:
Theprestige is generally thoughtful if partisan.
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theprestige said:
I try not to peddle conspiracy theories, anyway.
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I realize that you try on that front, theprestige, despite our somewhat frequent disagreements on matters of principle. The depth of disagreement on those matters of principle, though, opens up an easy "the overall point I was pushing is still actually right" opportunity, though, so I elected not to invoke you.
 
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