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I think that would be expected.

The Democrats want to establish facts. (Yes, they may want to put their own little spin on things, but its to their benefit to try to stick to actual real information.)

The Republicans would want to obfuscate and distract, and part of that will involve personal attacks on Mueller and the process that went into putting together the report.

Spin probably can never go 100% away in politics, but it is just massively, massively, massively less necessary when you haven't full on rejected reality across the board.

Sure the Dems feelings aren't going to be hurt if they can make Trump out as bad as possible nor are they above trying, but the Republicans have the challenge of doing the same thing when every single factual variable disagrees with them.
 
Trump Tweets

“Mueller was asked whether or not the investigation was impeded in any way, and he said no.”

In other words, there was NO OBSTRUCTION. @KatiePavlich @FoxNews
 
"Your honour this can't be attempted murder. I didn't even manage to kill him!!"

"Imprisoned for a crime I didn't even commit! 'Attempted' murder, now honestly what is that? Do they give Nobel Prizes for 'Attempted Chemistry?'" - Sideshow Bob
 
Buck: Could you charge the President with a crime after he left office?

Mueller: Yes.

Buck: You believe that you could charge the President of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office?

Mueller: Yes…

It doesn't get much more clear than that.
 
Ha! Rep. Garcia asks him if she would be charged if she had done these things, and he responds "Yes... BUT it's Congress."

Wit.

Funnies aside, this sounds like a substantial comment to me.

At least according to what is quoted, it sounds like he is saying here that, yes, there is grounds for indictment, but because he is president, they didn't do it.

Someone who is not president would be charged if they had done the things the president did. Sounds pretty clear to me.
 
Funnies aside, this sounds like a substantial comment to me.

At least according to what is quoted, it sounds like he is saying here that, yes, there is grounds for indictment, but because he is president, they didn't do it.

Someone who is not president would be charged if they had done the things the president did. Sounds pretty clear to me.
FFS. You have to know he didn't mean that. What about all the other times where he clearly said something else? Isn't obvious that "could" here doesn't mean "should". He's been very consistent about not going there.
 
Not so clearly and unambiguously stated.

That's what I was thinking. There is also the question, being asked here, if Mueller would have prosecuted had they not been bound by the OLC. I'd say that pretty clearly states that, yes he would.

Then again, I'm kind of lost around here lately. Yesterday I said it wouldn't do much good if he testified, and people told me that even if it's already known, it's good to get it on record. Of course we already knew all of this. My whole point yesterday was people who wanted to know the facts would have already known them.

So yes, to answer the quoted question by TGF, "didn't we already know this", is currently, and will be for the rest of the day, yes. We knew all of this **** that's going to be stated and we knew that was going to be the case because I personally said it about 200 times yesterday.
 
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Mueller: "Trump might have thrown the ball."
Committee: "Again but different!"
Mueller: "The ball might have been thrown by Trump."
Committee: "Again but different!"
Mueller: "I cannot conclude that Trump didn't throw the ball."
Committee: "Again but different!"
Mueller: "The ball was thrown by a party, possibly Trump."
Committee: "Again but different!"

Mueller isn't stupid. He isn't going to be baited into saying whether or not Trump threw the ball because, and he's been very clear about that, that he is beyond adamant that he thinks he has not been put into a position to make that kind of declarative statement.
 
Ha! Rep. Garcia asks him if she would be charged if she had done these things, and he responds "Yes... BUT it's Congress."
Funnies aside, this sounds like a substantial comment to me.

At least according to what is quoted, it sounds like he is saying here that, yes, there is grounds for indictment, but because he is president, they didn't do it.
FFS. You have to know he didn't mean that. What about all the other times where he clearly said something else? Isn't obvious that "could" here doesn't mean "should". He's been very consistent about not going there.
Even if Mueller's comments were taken out of context and/or were misinterpreted, they could still be damaging to Trump and the Republicans. Sound bites like that can have a big impact, since people don't often dig deeper into various quotes for context or clarification. (Witness Clinton's "Deplorables" comment.)

And to be honest, I wouldn't mind a bit. We've seen the Republicans benefit from that sort of misinterpretation for years, so turnabout is fair play.
 
Rep. Gaetz asks Mueller whether the Dossier could be misinformation. Except that a number of points in the dossier have been confirmed.

Without purporting to argue for or against the veracity of the dossier, or any of the arguments arising from the dossier one way or the other, I want to push back on this particular line of reasoning.

Presumably, any good piece of disinformation would include verifiable claims to bolster its appearance of truthfulness, and to reinforce the conclusion that its unverifiable claims were also true.

If that were the case, I'd expect the verifiable bits to be mundane, or easily available from other sources, or both. And I'd expect the really important bits - the bits that directly matter to questions of criminality and conspiracy - are the unverifiable bits.

So, for me, the argument, that something is less likely to be disinformation if parts of it have been verified, doesn't work. We should expect disinfo to have verifiable elements to it. Without examining which elements have been verified, and which elements actually have bearing on the claim that info is supposed to support, we can't say that having verified parts of it speaks to the veracity of the whole.

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Mister X went to Metropolis last week to arrange the sale of 20 grams of weaponized unobtanium. It's been verified from train ticket stubs, security camera footage, and hotel records that Mister X went to Metropolis last week as we claimed. You'll have to trust us about his business there, but we were right about him being there in the first place, so that should count for something.

Not when you're accusing the man of dealing in weaponized unobtanium, it shouldn't. For that, you'll have to produce evidence of the thing itself. Circumstantial won't cut it.
 
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Funnies aside, this sounds like a substantial comment to me.

At least according to what is quoted, it sounds like he is saying here that, yes, there is grounds for indictment, but because he is president, they didn't do it.

Someone who is not president would be charged if they had done the things the president did. Sounds pretty clear to me.

Yeah, that's the closest he came to actually saying it.

In a way I think he wanted to say it, but wanted to play it by the book.
 
Presumably, any good piece of disinformation would include verifiable claims to bolster its appearance of truthfulness, and to reinforce the conclusion that its unverifiable claims were also true.

Except that the only claim that isn't demonstrated at all is the pee-pee tape allegation. And aside from jokes on night shows, it hasn't been the focus of the investigations or discussions.

If that were the case, I'd expect the verifiable bits to be mundane, or easily available from other sources, or both.

Then why did the GOP representative call the report totally bogus? You can't have it both ways.
 
Watch the video in the first tweet in this post.

I get it, "we made a decision not to decide to prosecute or not." I totally understand that.

What I don't understand is how that contradicts in any way, shape or form the question of if the President is guilty of crimes or not. Prosecution =! conclusions on if crimes were committed. Right?

ETA: They appear to be different questions to me. I am certainly not a lawyer, and I'll admit to be wrong every time I am. I just don't understand where I'm wrong here.
 
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Then why did the GOP representative call the report totally bogus? You can't have it both ways.

I think it's reasonable to call a claim that mixes truth and lies to sell the lies "totally bogus", even though parts of the claim are true. It's not a system of formal logic. It's a figure of speech that effectively and accurately captures the structure and intent of the claim.
 
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