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Making Staff up While Black

bluesjnr said:
Georgia state Rep. Erica Thomas
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Mandatory reminder (especially for those outside the U.S.): state representatives are not elite politicians who represent their state in the U.S. House of Representatives in Washington DC; they are politicians who represent some district of their state in their state legislature. Thomas is one of 180 members of the Georgia House of Representatives. There are thousands of state representatives in the U.S. as a whole. Having a state representative do or say something stupid or outrageous is about as notable as having a podiatrist do or say something stupid or outrageous, because although there are about twice as many podiatrists, the podiatrists have to go through a lot more training and expense to learn their trade.
 
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Myriad said:
Mandatory reminder (especially for those outside the U.S.): state representatives are not elite politicians who represent their state in the U.S. House of Representatives in Washington DC; they are politicians who represent some district of their state in their state legislature.
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Yeah, I think in UK terms it's somewhere in the vicinity of "County Councillor does [stupid thing]," which is barely enough of a news story to outrank "dog bites man".

Dave
 
Myriad said:
Mandatory reminder (especially for those outside the U.S.): state representatives are not elite politicians who represent their state in the U.S. House of Representatives in Washington DC; they are politicians who represent some district of their state in their state legislature. Thomas is one of 180 members of the Georgia House of Representatives. There are thousands of state representatives in the U.S. as a whole. Having a state representative do or say something stupid or outrageous is about as notable as having a podiatrist do or say something stupid or outrageous, because although there are about twice as many podiatrists, the podiatrists have to go through a lot more training and expense to learn their trade.
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I question the premise that members of Congress are somehow "elite".
 
Just critically examining the information we have here. While her walking back from certainty about the exact words used is not a great sign for her truthfulness here, it's hardly a death knell.

I don't know about you, but in my personal experience with verbal altercations, it's not rare to not perfectly remember the words used against you but to be angry about the general gist of those words.

So we've got a bunch of options.

1) The incident happened as she described and the checkout guy is either lying or misremembering that he said something along the lines of "Go back to your country".

2) Thomas was, out of malice or desire for attention decided to invent the taunt out of thin air.

3) Thomas, perhaps due to the present charged climate after the President's tweet and rally chants, misheard/misremembered and truly believes the checkout guy said "Go home" but is mistaken.

4) The checkout guy used words that he intended to mean "Go to your house, I don't want you in our store" and she mistakenly interpreted to mean "Leave the country".

The available evidence doesn't rule out any of these possibilities, although the fact that she seems to have revised her certainty takes a lot of weight away from option #1. I don't have any prior knowledge of either of these people, so while it's certainly possible she's lying, it doesn't seem yet to be established fact. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be any of the four options. And we will most likely never know.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I think we need more information on how many items she took through the checkout. Are we talking about one each of nine things and two of a tenth, for which the legally mandated punishment is a sideways glance and some passive-aggressive muttering, or eleven distinct and separate items, which is prima facie malfeasance in public office and warrants tarring, feathering and being run out of town on a rail?

Dave
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I think she admitted to 15 which is a full bitch quotient.
 
bluesjnr said:
Cool. Thanks for your review.:rolleyes:
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I don't think you know what "review" means.

I'm sure that this story (and a particular creative interpretation of it) is of interest to the kind of person who is on the fence about Tommy Robinson. It's just that I'm not that kind of person.
 
mumblethrax said:
I don't think you know what "review" means.

I'm sure that this story (and a particular creative interpretation of it) is of interest to the kind of person who is on the fence about Tommy Robinson. It's just that I'm not that kind of person.
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For someone espousing a lack of interest you sure hang about and are creating a smell with that axe you’re grinding.

Take your ***** elsewhere it stinks.
 
bluesjnr said:
For someone espousing a lack of interest you sure hang about and are creating a smell with that axe you’re grinding.

Take your ***** elsewhere it stinks.
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I have no interest in the story.

That doesn't mean I don't find your desire to paint it in a particular way to be unremarkable.

I think I'll stay and continue to point out that you are obviously motivated in your thinking about this story, and that it's the kind of motivation you'd expect from someone who just hasn't made up his mind about Tommy Robinson yet.
 
mumblethrax said:
I have no interest in the story.

That doesn't mean I don't find your desire to paint it in a particular way to be unremarkable.

I think I'll stay and continue to point out that you are obviously motivated in your thinking about this story, and that it's the kind of motivation you'd expect from someone who just hasn't made up his mind about Tommy Robinson yet.
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Fill yer boots. You couldn’t be of less consequence to me.

Enjoy.
 
Cavemonster said:
Just critically examining the information we have here. While her walking back from certainty about the exact words used is not a great sign for her truthfulness here, it's hardly a death knell.

I don't know about you, but in my personal experience with verbal altercations, it's not rare to not perfectly remember the words used against you but to be angry about the general gist of those words.

So we've got a bunch of options.

1) The incident happened as she described and the checkout guy is either lying or misremembering that he said something along the lines of "Go back to your country".

2) Thomas was, out of malice or desire for attention decided to invent the taunt out of thin air.

3) Thomas, perhaps due to the present charged climate after the President's tweet and rally chants, misheard/misremembered and truly believes the checkout guy said "Go home" but is mistaken.

4) The checkout guy used words that he intended to mean "Go to your house, I don't want you in our store" and she mistakenly interpreted to mean "Leave the country".

The available evidence doesn't rule out any of these possibilities, although the fact that she seems to have revised her certainty takes a lot of weight away from option #1. I don't have any prior knowledge of either of these people, so while it's certainly possible she's lying, it doesn't seem yet to be established fact. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be any of the four options. And we will most likely never know.
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It would be extremely strange for a Cuban to tell someone to go back to their country. I don't really know where I stand on this, but that would be a bit ironic. He also seems pretty adamant about not saying that even going so far as to say he's exploring a defamation suit. Thomas and her lawyer have also implied that they are asking witnesses (of which there appear to be 4, though 1 doesn't remember hearing those words) to get ready to testify.

Both seem confident, but I would almost bet that after a week or so this will fade into the background and no one will hear about it again.
 
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