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P.J. Denyer said:
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But being an entertainer will not cut it as PM and he's shown a marked disregard for the details that we will rely on him being on top of.
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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
That really depends what you mean.

Will he successfully lead the country? Of course not.

Will he get elected/re-elected on the back of it? Quite probably yes.
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I guess this highlights the difference between what the person in the street considers a successful politician (being a good leader, getting their policies enacted, leaving the country in a better position than you found it) and what a professional politician might consider being a successful politician (getting reelected, making your way up the greasy pole within your own party).

Boris Johnson wants to be Prime Minister and so becoming PM makes him successful - regardless on the impact on the country. His carefully constructed public image, and the lack of a "star" leading the Labour Party means that he can sail through on brand recognition alone. :mad:

When he gets his no-deal, no matter how dire the consequences, he'll find a way to blame others and the public will love him.
 
The Don said:
I guess this highlights the difference between what the person in the street considers a successful politician (being a good leader, getting their policies enacted, leaving the country in a better position than you found it) and what a professional politician might consider being a successful politician (getting reelected, making your way up the greasy pole within your own party).

Boris Johnson wants to be Prime Minister and so becoming PM makes him successful - regardless on the impact on the country. His carefully constructed public image, and the lack of a "star" leading the Labour Party means that he can sail through on brand recognition alone. :mad:

When he gets his no-deal, no matter how dire the consequences, he'll find a way to blame others and the public will love him.
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I think it highlights the difference between what the man in the street SAY they want in a successful politician and what the man in the street ACTUALLY votes for.

Because if people actually voted for competent people they would get them. But they vote for personalities instead. People who will act against their interests. People who couldn't care less about them. Because competent people are boring, and people who comprehend nuance, subtlety and complexity are dull.
 
Boris is now Prime Minister :(

So I guess he will attempt to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement and will fail (unless he tries to present the same deal a a wonderful new deal) and the UK will crash out with no deal.

At this critical point, we will have a Prime Minister who is not only incompetent but who has a long history of a failure to master detail and a reputation for flying into a rage at the smallest thing. I really dread the stitch-up UK/US trade deal we will end up with. :(
 
Lothian said:
So why have you previously objected so strongly to leaving the EU whilst remaining in the single market and customs union?
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Because that would be absolutely useless. All the disadvantages of remaining without any benefit. Better to remain completely than do that.
 
ceptimus said:
Because that would be absolutely useless. All the disadvantages of remaining without any benefit. Better to remain completely than do that.
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That's clearly your view but it's not one that seems to have been widely shared in the Leave campaign - they were at pains to repeatedly assure the electorate that the UK would still be in the customs union.
 
ceptimus said:
Because that would be absolutely useless. All the disadvantages of remaining without any benefit. Better to remain completely than do that.
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But it would fulfil the referendum result.

And it would of course have several benefits - like being able to trade with the EU freely. Resolving the border issue with Ireland.
 
Information Analyst said:
Please post a list of both Leavers and Remainers - and a timeline of their appointment - to demonstrate this claim.
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I''ll give you one for a starter. Philip Hammond, the most important job in cabinet apart from the PM herself. She appointed him immediately she became PM. He's always been staunchly remain and obstructed no-deal preparations at every turn. Now that he can no longer force his will on government, he has petulantly resigned in the most grandstanding manner imaginable, and vowed to continue to obstruct the will of the people from the back benches - up to and including bringing down his own government.
 
So...we have one so far.
That's not quite stuffed.

Hammond might be a remainer, but he was not in charge of Bexit negotiations.

Which remainer did May give that job to?
I assume that job would be more important for a cabinet supposedly stuffed with remainers (presumably to scupper Brexit).
 
ponderingturtle said:
Exactly it is the land border with the EU and the vote was to take control of it. That is what the people voted for, it is clearly what they want.
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The UK and Eire have separate arrangements regarding control of the Irish border and migration between the two countries that is independent of the EU, primarily the CTA. The EU has hardly any say as the UK and Eire have traditionally had an open border in terms of migration. It only became a controlled border when the Troubles were on the go.

The people did not know that and voted to take control of something we already had control over. :covereyes
 
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