"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

The point that needs to be repeated is that the person he's retweeting and in whose support he's wallowing is generally tied for first in the UK vote for "Who's the Most Xenophobic Bigot in the Country". Some polls she finishes in first. But then Tommy Robinson will get into the news for a few days and he wins the next poll.

Tommy Robinson is at least sincere. Katie Hopkins just says whatever she thinks will get the loudest reaction. That means that perhaps she really is racist, but there's no real way to tell whether she is or whether she's just pretending to be one because doing so is how she makes her money.
 
I'm sure rural Americans having essentially no representation on the Federal level would be quite ok for you, but not for them. You do understand that this is what the Senate and EC were supposed to address, correct?


Not really, no.

At that time all of the nascent states were essentially rural. There were only a handful of "cities", and their influence was focussed mostly as economic centers of activity, not as centers of population.

It wasn't' anything "rural" which the EC and Senate were meant to address, and it didn't have much to do with size for that matter. It was for states which were were small in population. The Wyomings and Dakotas of today didn't exist yet. It was the New Hampshires and Rhode Islands that were concerned about equal representation.

Sure, they were "rural", but so was nearly everyone else for all practical purposes. How rural? The reason Tuesday was chosen as the day for national elections was because so many voters needed a day to travel to the polls by horse and buggy, and they didn't want to have to do that on a Sunday, the Sabbath.

What they were, more significantly, was underpopulated.

Where this actually became most involved wasn't about the Senate, but about the way populations were counted for the proportional House of Representatives.

If taxes from the states to the Fed were based on straight population, then the Southern slave states would have to pay taxes based on non-voting "property".

They didn't like that idea.

If the number of members of the House of Representatives allocated to a given state was based on the number of people and not the number of "citizens" then the Northern non-slave states would lose representation to states with a large population which had no civil rights and weren't allowed to vote for those Representatives.

They didn't like that idea.

Tough luck for them. The Three Fifths Compromise, which cut that baby into two pieces, still gave the Southern States a lock on the Electoral College which wasn't really broken to any significant degree until after the Civil War and the 13th and 14th Amendments.

Even if that hadn't happened they still would have had voting representation in the House far in excess of those small states, just not as much. Not enough to overwhelm the non-slave states the way they ended up doing for decades.

"Rural" really didn't have much to do with it. At the time "rural" was not a synonym for "underpopulated". It was just the way nearly everyone lived.

This didn't really change all that much until the close of the 19th century. As late as 1900 60% of the U.S was still considered to live in "rural" areas. 40% lived on farms.

The rural/urban dichotomy you describe is a comparatively recent political issue. It wasn't anything the Founding Fathers lost much sleep over.
 
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Wrong. Still here, but still waiting for intelligent discussion to comment on. So far all I see is two entrenched sides talking past one another.

That's some Grade A ********, unless you're seriously trying to decide between trumpism and basic human decency.
 
Wrong. Still here, but still waiting for intelligent discussion to comment on. So far all I see is two entrenched sides talking past one another.

Instead of waiting for intelligent discussion, why not show everyone the way. Maybe you could start by explaining the intelligent way that conservatives should respond to Donald Trump’s naked bigotry, assuming you have an intelligent response to it.
 
Trump Tweets

I don’t believe the four Congresswomen are capable of loving our Country. They should apologize to America (and Israel) for the horrible (hateful) things they have said. They are destroying the Democrat Party, but are weak & insecure people who can never destroy our great Nation!
 
Trump supporting Diamond and Silk®

Tweeted this support for the presidents 'words'
Nancy Pelosi said the WORDS that the President used were racist. But those same words are in the Dictionary. Does that mean that the Dictionary is now racist? Should all Dictionaries be banned since Democrats are offended by words? #TDS
Send. Them. Back.*



*To. School.
 
Instead of waiting for intelligent discussion, why not show everyone the way. Maybe you could start by explaining the intelligent way that conservatives should respond to Donald Trump’s naked bigotry, assuming you have an intelligent response to it.
I already made that response

I am not so sure actually. No doubt it was rude crude and socially unacceptable, but I am not at all so sure it actually is racist. I am fairly certain is is more nationalism/patriotism than actually racism. I do believe that if anyone of any race were to take similar political positions having immigrated from a European country, Trump would have the same type of things to say. He is easily capable of telling a German to go back to his country if he doesn't like America, or a Frenchman, or even a Canadian, as he would those 4. It's just not many German or French Americans have politics anywhere near as radical as them.

The crowd on the other hand? I am sure there are many many Americans in this country that just don't like Muslims. Seeing as how we have been at war with Muslim countries for decades now, it is certainly there just under the surface. I personally don't think it is wise to tap into that, but Trump is after all at his core a New York Elitist Liberal who until snubbed by Hilary actually was most his life a Democrat. About the only way he can possibly get the conservative vote is to tap into something to distract voters from realizing that he actually represents what most of them don't like at all. And how do you do that? By focusing on something they dislike even more.
 
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Trump Tweets

I don’t believe the four Congresswomen are capable of loving our Country. They should apologize to America (and Israel) for the horrible (hateful) things they have said. They are destroying the Democrat Party, but are weak & insecure people who can never destroy our great Nation!

The magascum will eat that up at the next rally.
 
Trump Tweets

I don’t believe the four Congresswomen are capable of loving our Country. They should apologize to America (and Israel) for the horrible (hateful) things they have said. They are destroying the Democrat Party, but are weak & insecure people who can never destroy our great Nation!

And for those who insist on losing the plot: All this began when Trump expressed his outrage that these women whose "countries of origin" were crime-infested ****-holes are telling the "people of the United States" how to run "our" government. If you can convince yourself that that isn't blatantly racist and blatantly un-American, then you will have lied to yourself several times along the way.
 
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Trump Tweets

I don’t believe the four Congresswomen are capable of loving our Country. They should apologize to America (and Israel) for the horrible (hateful) things they have said. They are destroying the Democrat Party, but are weak & insecure people who can never destroy our great Nation!

Well, Trump would be the expert on disloyalty being as he's a filthy Russian whore.
 
Trump Tweets

I don’t believe the four Congresswomen are capable of loving our Country. They should apologize to America (and Israel) for the horrible (hateful) things they have said.

As Zig points out, the President of the United States is accusing popularly elected state representatives of committing thought crimes against the country. Scary stuff, there.

Right, Zig?
 
It IS a fact. Oracle has said this directly. If it's insulting to point out a fact, that's no my problem.

Nowhere did I ever challenge the idea that 4 is greater than 2.

I challenged you calling "FACT" (which you seem to think means "I am really emphatic about this right now") a proportional system that hasn't even been fully described or settled on resulting in "essentially no representation."

Basically this entire exercise is you declaring we may not have this discussion any further unless we first agree that it will result in crushing the rural people under our callous urban boots.
 
As Zig points out, the President of the United States is accusing popularly elected state representatives of committing thought crimes against the country. Scary stuff, there.

Right, Zig?

I thought we weren't "feeding" him.
 
What I find interesting is, late last week Trump seemed to be responding to criticism of the "Send her back" chants and distancing himself from it. That was very surprising to me, it seemed out of character, and I wondered why he was doing it.
President Donald Trump said Thursday that he isn’t happy with his supporters’ “send her back” chant directed at progressive Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., that erupted at his North Carolina rally on Wednesday. “I was not happy with it — I disagree with it,” Trump told reporters at the White House. Link

But just a day later he reversed himself.
Donald Trump broadly declared on Friday that no one should criticise the United States while he is president, part of a renewed attack on four minority congresswomen whom he has targeted as un-American. Mr Trump also praised his supporters at a rally where they chanted, “Send her back!”, a refrain directed at one of the lawmakers, Somali-born Ilhan Omar. The president called the campaign crowd “incredible patriots” – a day after saying he disagreed with the chant. Link

It looks like the immediate condemnations of the chanting spooked Donnie. "I disagree with it." But then the polling they do must've shown a lot of his base -- most of his base, all of his base? -- loved it and he quickly changed course.
 
This. Is. Pathetic.

Personally, I think he's a Travis follower (Travis called 'em concentration camps in a thread starter in November, last year.)

If you take seriously the concept that inflammatory rhetoric can lead to violence, then AOCs rhetoric is a problem. But I don't think you do take it seriously. I think you only take it when it's convenient for your partisan interests.
 

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