"SEND HER BACK!" Will they defend this?

Ziggurat said:
That’s not at all what’s going on here at all. The closer equivalent would be The Great Zaganza claiming that we don’t need to worry about punching, we only need to worry about murder. And I’m saying no, we should still worry about punching.

But it’s still a stupid analogy since punching is a method and murder is a result, whereas incivility is a method but racism is a motive. Analogies are lazy ways to make arguments that can’t actually stand on their own.
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I think you might be over-analysing the analogy, Zig, and missing the point in the process.
 
Stacyhs said:
I wish a reporter would challenge Trump when he states that Omar has expressed hatred for the US by asking him exactly what she said. And when the Orange Baboon lies, and you know he will, call him on it.
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And then what? There doesn't seem to be any Trump lies that his supporters aren't willing to either defend or ignore.
 
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And how was he racist? By being uncivil.

It doesn't matter if someone sits there thinking racist thoughts in their heads but doing nothing. What matters is actions. And the action in question was just incivility. The alleged motive is racism, but why would the motive even matter if the action itself weren't a problem?
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No, it wasn't "just incivility"; your turd-polishing skills have failed you. The "action in question" is race-baiting demagoguery promoted by a fountain of lies and ********, aimed squarely at the prejudices, fears, resentments, and gullibility of "half" of his base, in hopes of stirring up enough hatred to win another election for "Your Favorite President."

(ETA: In other words, what Squeegee said. :thumbsup: )
 
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WilliamSeger said:
No, it wasn't "just incivility"; your turd-polishing skills have failed you. The "action in question" is race-baiting demagoguery promoted by a fountain of lies and ********, aimed squarely at the prejudices, fears, resentments, and gullibility of "half" of his base, in hopes of stirring up enough hatred to win another election for "Your Favorite President."

(ETA: In other words, what Squeegee said. :thumbsup: )
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The problem isn't incivility. Trump, and many other politicians, have been uncivil many times. You can make an argument that it's demeaning to the office of president, and/or that politics would be better if people remained polite, but that's not what's happening here.

What's happening here is that the most powerful man in the United States is using his platform to tell racist lies about political opponents in order to stir up hated of them and whip adoring crowds into a frenzy - all in an age when more than 1 terrorist has cited Trump as the impetus behind their actions or their intended actions.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

As you can see, I did nothing to lead people on, nor was I particularly happy with their chant. Just a very big and patriotic crowd. They love the USA!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1151738558501330945
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So first he supported them, then says he tried to stop them, now he wants to have it both ways. Classy.

Even his cultists must feel the slightest bit of betrayal when he said he disagreed with them, and tried to stop them chanting?
 
Cainkane1 said:
If you express hatred for the United States and you are an immigrant legal or not the response is acceptable. Go back to where you came from. If you were born and raised here and express hatred for the United States then find somewhere else to live.
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I have a hook/line/sinker image for these situations. I'm afraid it won't suffice here, lacking the rod and reel.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The problem isn't incivility. Trump, and many other politicians, have been uncivil many times. You can make an argument that it's demeaning to the office of president, and/or that politics would be better if people remained polite, but that's not what's happening here.

What's happening here is that the most powerful man in the United States is using his platform to tell racist lies about political opponents in order to stir up hated of them and whip adoring crowds into a frenzy - all in an age when more than 1 terrorist has cited Trump as the impetus behind their actions or their intended actions.
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Given that AOC’s own rhetoric just inspired actual terrorist violence, it seems a bit odd that you’re only complaining about potential violence inspired by Trump.
 
Ziggurat said:
Given that AOC’s own rhetoric just inspired actual terrorist violence
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Wow, that's wild. You should start another thread about it, where you actually back up your point rather than attempting to impotently distract from Trump's racism in this thread... again..
 
Ziggurat said:
Given that AOC’s own rhetoric just inspired actual terrorist violence, it seems a bit odd that you’re only complaining about potential violence inspired by Trump.
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Leaving aside the "Look! A squirrel!" of your post, I've not heard of a terrorist citing Ocasio-Cortez as the inspiration for their actions, and googling turns up nothing. Can you provide a citation, please?

But, yes, if Ocasio-Cortez has incited hatred with her speech and that hatred has incited people to violence I will condemn her for it in the strongest terms. Why wouldn't I?
 
If it makes you feel any better, those Trump supporters don't just hate blacks, Muslims, and Hispanics. They also hate anyone not their flavor of Christian, Childless Europeans, women who don't know their place, and, if they were being honest, Jews.
 
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