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[kookbreaker]

Blatantly racist. Cartoonishly racist. The example that's in the handbook racist.

I'm sure now we'll get the reasoning that since Irish were once told to 'go back to where they came from' and since Irish are white* its not racism.


* Except for how they kinda weren't considered to be white.

 

[theprestige]

Okay let's just hit the "I believe button" and say that



A) All of that is true

B) All of that matters.



Trump telling just these one Congress person to "Go back where they came from" for that reason and within that context... would still be racist. Blatantly racist. Cartoonishly racist. The example that's in the handbook racist.

It's racist to say that the government of Somalia is a disaster?

I have more questions along the same lines, but one at a time is probably best right now.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I'm sure now we'll get the reasoning that since Irish were once told to 'go back to where they came from' and since Irish are white* its not racism.


* Except for how they kinda weren't considered to be white.

I'm sure within a metaphysical certainty that we won't get an answer, we'll get yet another "okay let's talk about this one thing before I'll answer..."

 

[JoeMorgue]

It's racist to say that the government of Somalia is a disaster?

I have more questions along the same lines, but one at a time is probably best right now.

Debate honestly.

I didn't say it's racist to say the government of Somalia is a disaster.

I said telling a woman who came here from Somalia at age 8 to "go back where she came from" is racist. Because it is.

 

[Belz...]

It's racist to say that the government of Somalia is a disaster?

I have more questions along the same lines, but one at a time is probably best right now.

Didn't the post you quoted say that it was racist, specifically, to tell someone to go back to their country?

 

[theprestige]

Nothing. I was responding to the part of the post I was responding to. What part of that did you "disunderstand"?







I know we can, too. So why suddenly weave a web of impossible obstacles to agreement just because now once again the morality of a Republican is in question? The same guy you called a bunch of names the other day.

The part you were responding to was addressed in the post you responded to: Not racism until someone supports the positive claim that it is.

 

[kookbreaker]

It's racist to say that the government of Somalia is a disaster?

/looks at what JoeMorgue wrote
/looks at theprestige wrote above

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I have more questions along the same lines, but one at a time is probably best right now.

No, you don't have more questions. You have more sorry dodgerolls to avoid confronting the racism you are apologizing for.

 

[theprestige]

Debate honestly.



I didn't say it's racist to say the government of Somalia is a disaster.



I said telling a woman who came here from Somalia at age 8 to "go back where she came from" is racist. Because it is.

Is it racist because she came from Somalia rather than France (for example)?

 

[Belz...]

The part you were responding to was addressed in the post you responded to

Oh stop it. It was unnecessary and you put it there anyway because it helped muddle the issue. So I responded. Next time just give a straight answer.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Didn't the post you quoted say that it was racist, specifically, to tell someone to go back to their country?

Of course it did and of course he knows that.

 

[Belz...]

Is it racist because she came from Somalia rather than France (for example)?

He wouldn't say it in the first place if she came from France and was white. That's. The. Whole. Point.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Let's pretend that Trump didn't mean the Squad, and was just misunderstood.

He is the President, being heard by the entire Nation

If he doesn't want to be misunderstood, he has to make the effort to be less ambiguous.

 

[Belz...]

Let's pretend that Trump didn't mean the Squad, and was just misunderstood.

He is the President, being heard by the entire Nation

If he doesn't want to be misunderstood, he has to make the effort to be less ambiguous.

Trump is either literal or metaphorical, depending on what's more convenient at the time. Kinda like the Bible.

 

[theprestige]

Didn't the post you quoted say that it was racist, specifically, to tell someone to go back to their country?

The post linked several things together into a chain of racism. My question was intended to figure out which links in the chain actually had the racism.

Interestingly the answer to my question revealed two more links in the chain, not previously cited, which contain the racism. So I think it was a well-asked question, because the answer gave us new information about Joe's claim.

 

[kookbreaker]

This is not only pathetic but massively dissapointing.

I don't often agree (politically) with theprestige and Zigg but I did see them, along with Brainster, as the more thoughtful conservative posters on this board. Granted, when you have one-line bots, full Kool-Aid swallowing Trumpians, and posters more concerned with hating the entire board than making their point its not a hard field to stand out it. Nontheless, I would read their posts and sometimes they would have a point without doing any disingenuous gameplaying. I wouldn't necessarily agree with their points, but they were at least honestly and thoughtfully made.

I have notice their quality of posting has gone downhill of late, but hey, everyone has bad seasons. Not a sign of an issue.

But today? This thread? Wow. This is nothing more than gameplaying, technicalities, dodgerolls and dishonest debating that is absolutely unworthy of the people who were once at least able to make me think about my position. Now they are just playing for internet points and pathetic pwnage.

I'm done here. I hope one or two of these grows a sense of shame and actually realizes what they are defending, but I doubt it.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Is it racist because she came from Somalia rather than France (for example)?

1. As noted Trump wouldn't tell a white person to "go back where they came from." That is, again as noted, the point.

2. I have zero intention of playing the "It's not racism, it's sparkling bigotry" game with you or anyone else, but yes while it might not be "according to Hoyle" racist, it would be bigoted if he used the same phrase against someone from France.

3. Again this is all under the "He was just talking to one person" fantasy, which he wasn't.

Now please do me the simple human courtesy of responding to what I actually said instead this time in your first response, not a follow up after 3 people near simultaneously call you on it.

 

[Belz...]

The post linked several things together into a chain of racism.

No, it specifically said that X was racist, and you responded with Y is racist.

This dance of yours is unconvincing. And you didn't answer my question: why engage in said dance at all? That Trump said something racist wouldn't mean you have to stop being a conservative, would it?

 

[Ziggurat]

He wouldn't say it in the first place if she came from France and was white. That's. The. Whole. Point.

It wouldn't make any sense if she was from France, white or not. France's government isn't a complete and total catastrophe.

 

[theprestige]

He wouldn't say it in the first place if she came from France and was white. That's. The. Whole. Point.

He wouldn't say it in the first place if she came from France, because unlike Somalia, France's government is not a disaster.*

The racism argument here seems to be that he said it about Omar not because her country of origin is a disaster but she's here hating on the US instead of there fixing problems, but because she's "brown".

I think this argument assumes facts not in evidence. We know what white supremacist rhetoric looks like. We know what ethno-statist arguments look like. They're clearly based on racial animus, explicitly stated.

Trump's statements about Omar are clearly based on cultural and ideological differences. You assume that these are a stalking horse for racism, but that's just an assumption. Change the ethnicity and race of the principals, and Trump's argument, as stated, remains the same. While Trump's criticism of Omar may not be fair (after all, she was only 8 when her parents brought her here), it is not dependent on her race.


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*Strictly speaking, we should allow for the possibility that he might say it anyway, because he's a buffoon who talks out his ass. Even though he's been apparently appreciative of France's government (especially those military parades!) in the past, there's no guarantee that he'd be consistent about that.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Not much of an answer, since you don't say what this context is.

But fine, I'll tell you. First, let's review the text of the tweets in question (combined here for simplicity):

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhe
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Let's list the qualities Trump mentions:
1) Democrat Congresswomen
2) originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe
3) loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States... how our government is to be run

Who fits that description? People have claimed that he's referring to "the squad". And all four members of "the squad" fit items 1 and 3. But what about item 2?

Well, really only Ilhan Omar fits. She was born in Somalia, whose government is a disaster.

Which do you think is more likely?

1)Trump doesn't know that both "congresswomen" and "countries" are plural; or

2)Trump knows his fans will agree with him that all those brown people originally came from those "********" countries, even if they were technically born here.​