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National Emergency

Skeptic Ginger said:
People currently fleeing Central America have had their lives threatened. They aren't just coming here for housekeeping jobs.

And the US is responsible for the economic and political disasters in those countries.

Many of them are coming here because they have family here, willing to sponsor them.

Why are you convinced they are bad people?
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My understanding is the current immigration laws do not allow asylum in the case of any threat on a person's life. Rather, it has to be something governmental or systemic (not clear to me whether gang threats qualify according to current law, but that is an empirical question). My understanding is that poverty does not qualify.

Next, if the rule of law should apply to Trump, his associates, and their corruption, then it should apply to immigration. If the current law allows for asylum for anyone who feels threatened legitimately, or for economic hardship, then so be it, but if current law doesn't, then those people should not be granted legal status, or the law should be changed.

Lastly, if the U.S. is responsible for the chaos or economies in those countries from which the migrants come, then that's an argument for changing the law, and not for letting them in contrary to the law (although if it could be done through executive order legally - given a different administration, obviously - that'd be fine, too).
 
Paul2 said:
My understanding is the current immigration laws do not allow asylum in the case of any threat on a person's life. Rather, it has to be something governmental or systemic (not clear to me whether gang threats qualify according to current law, but that is an empirical question). My understanding is that poverty does not qualify.

Next, if the rule of law should apply to Trump, his associates, and their corruption, then it should apply to immigration. If the current law allows for asylum for anyone who feels threatened legitimately, or for economic hardship, then so be it, but if current law doesn't, then those people should not be granted legal status, or the law should be changed.

Lastly, if the U.S. is responsible for the chaos or economies in those countries from which the migrants come, then that's an argument for changing the law, and not for letting them in contrary to the law (although if it could be done through executive order legally - given a different administration, obviously - that'd be fine, too).
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An asylum request starts with a hearing. It's not up to the border guards or Trump or you or me to pass judgement.
 
Craig4 said:
You support Trump so any attack is fine as long as it works. No rule oh honesty or decency applies. The ends justify the means.
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You are imagining things. I've never said what you're claiming I did. If you believe you have psychic abilities, check to see if the million dollar challenge is still active.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
"Miller is a Jew and therefore can't be racist" is not a very good argument, is it?
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No one said this so I don't understand why you would even refute an argument no one made. That other white guy said something about someone claiming they supported Trump when no one did. It's very difficult to have a discussion when everyone is interested in arguing against an imaginary person.
 
Baylor said:
No one said this so I don't understand why you would even refute an argument no one made. That other white guy said something about someone claiming they supported Trump when no one did. It's very difficult to have a discussion when everyone is interested in arguing against an imaginary person.
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you aren't imaginary and you claimed that the concept of a Jewish Nazi is ludicrous. That Miller can't be a White Nationalist because he is Jewish.

We have plenty of examples of Neo-Nazi who would never have been allowed to join the NSDAP - but not for lack of trying.
And in the case of Miller, we have testimony of his relatives saying he talks and acts like a Nazi would have.
And we have his public statements and history of helping White Nationalists.

Miller, possibly the closest political Adviser to Trump, is a White Nationalists, and Trump hasn't distanced himself from it.
But given Trump's recent open displays of racism, that isn't surprising.
 
How the asylum seeker arrived in the US is not relevant to the laws concerning them. Read them, there's nothing there.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
you aren't imaginary and you claimed that the concept of a Jewish Nazi is ludicrous. That Miller can't be a White Nationalist because he is Jewish.

We have plenty of examples of Neo-Nazi who would never have been allowed to join the NSDAP - but not for lack of trying.
And in the case of Miller, we have testimony of his relatives saying he talks and acts like a Nazi would have.
And we have his public statements and history of helping White Nationalists.

Miller, possibly the closest political Adviser to Trump, is a White Nationalists, and Trump hasn't distanced himself from it.
But given Trump's recent open displays of racism, that isn't surprising.
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First you said racist, now you're saying white nationalist. Neither of which I even mentioned. You're all over the place. Get your thoughts together before replying to me.
 
Baylor said:
First you said racist, now you're saying white nationalist. Neither of which I even mentioned. You're all over the place. Get your thoughts together before replying to me.
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You can't be a White Nationalist without being a racist.
Pretending otherwise doesn't make it so.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I'm shocked -shocked!- to find agricultural labor shortages here...

https://www.fb.org/viewpoints/another-year-of-farm-labor-shortages
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Maybe the agriculture industry has been riding the cheap labor gravy train for too long?

Maybe they're tired of working like slaves? You do know that agricultural jobs are nowhere near the top of the list of industries illegals participate in?

Try:
service
construction
production
then way at the bottom - agriculture.

The list:
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/chapter-2-industries-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

Illegals are movin' on up!
 
mgidm86 said:
Maybe the agriculture industry has been riding the cheap labor gravy train for too long?

Maybe they're tired of working like slaves? You do know that agricultural jobs are nowhere near the top of the list of industries illegals participate in?

Try:
service
construction
production
then way at the bottom - agriculture.

The list:
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/chapter-2-industries-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

Illegals are movin' on up!
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Perhaps you could explain the chart to those of us incapable of working it out? Here's the chart.

https://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03..._unauthorized-immigrants-testimony-report-04/

'Cuz that's the one you're referring to as showing Agriculture "at the bottom". Methinks you do not quite understand the contents of your link. Immediately below that chart, they show Agriculture as leading in another measure.

Statistics... who thought they'd be so complicated?
 
mgidm86 said:
Maybe the agriculture industry has been riding the cheap labor gravy train for too long?

Maybe they're tired of working like slaves? You do know that agricultural jobs are nowhere near the top of the list of industries illegals participate in?

Try:
service
construction
production
then way at the bottom - agriculture.

The list:
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/chapter-2-industries-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

Illegals are movin' on up!
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No, but it is the industry which has the highest proportion of illegal immigrant workers, at 16%.

https://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03..._unauthorized-immigrants-testimony-report-05/
 
mgidm86 said:
Maybe the agriculture industry has been riding the cheap labor gravy train for too long?

Maybe they're tired of working like slaves? You do know that agricultural jobs are nowhere near the top of the list of industries illegals participate in?

Try:
service
construction
production
then way at the bottom - agriculture.

The list:
https://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/03/26/chapter-2-industries-of-unauthorized-immigrant-workers/

Illegals are movin' on up!
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Others have pointed out the flaws in the bare numbers, but the analysis is also important. Agriculture is the most migratory/seasonal-based of these. It's basically the entry-level job. Not only for basic income, but to pick up the social knowledge of how to survive undocumented and therefore move into more stable trades.
 
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