The Labour party has a serious racism problem

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“BBC Panorama spoke to former party officials, who alleged they had to deal with a huge increase in anti-Semitism complaints since Mr Corbyn became Labour leader in 2015.
Eight former officials who worked in the team and dealt with anti-Semitism cases claimed to the BBC that:

- The leader's office was "angry and obstructive" when it came to the issue
- Officials brought in by the party's general secretary, Jennie Formby, "overruled" some of their disciplinary decisions and "downgraded" punishments to a "slap on the wrist"
- Seumas Milne, one of Mr Corbyn's closest aides, laughed when advised by a long-serving party official about what Mr Corbyn should do to tackle anti-Semitism in the party
- On one occasion, Mr Corbyn's office ordered batches of anti-Semitism complaints to be brought to his Commons office for processing by his aides”

And the Guardian’s take on it (it’s a real problem):
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rama-antisemitism-labour-racism-jeremy-corbyn
 
Probably George Galloway style characters and those from Muslim/Arab communities, both of which have a strong tendency to be anti-semitic.
 
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Arcade22 said:
Probably George Galloway style characters and those from Muslim/Arab communities, both of which have a strong tendency to be anti-semitic.
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But not just fringe figures. Corbyn and Milne are in the middle of it.
 
If there's a way to shoot itself in the foot, Labour will find it.

Jesus, this stuff is stupid.
 
Mixing objective Israel critics with the antisemites does tend to muddy the waters, possibly benefits the antisemites more than anyone else.
 
Venom said:
Mixing objective Israel critics with the antisemites does tend to muddy the waters, possibly benefits the antisemites more than anyone else.
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I agree it's a problem, but the prime beneficiary is Israel.

It allows the country and its insane leaders to commit human rights abuses every day, because criticism is immediately labelled as anti-semitic.
 
I think it is safe to say that Corbyn being selected as leader is turning out to be a disaster for Labor. If Labor had a halfway acceptable to people who are not on the far left leader Labor would be looking at a easy win. Instead they seem to be pissing away a golden opportunity against a badly divided and inept Conservative party.
 
dudalb said:
I think it is safe to say that Corbyn being selected as leader is turning out to be a disaster for Labor. If Labor had a halfway acceptable to people who are not on the far left leader Labor would be looking at a easy win. Instead they seem to be pissing away a golden opportunity against a badly divided and inept Conservative party.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Those of us in the party who were part of the New Labour movement have said this all along. Then again we were written off as "red Tories" by the old Trots and new joiners (who had no memory of the 79-97 period) and instead they chose Jeremy Corbyn.

I wouldn't have minded if I disagreed with many of his policies* if only he had been an effective leader and if only he didn't have a closet full of skeleton (real and imagined) that the Conservatives and their right wing press could use to distract and deflect whenever he was in a position to actually make a point.

* - apart from Brexit, like Tony Blair's policy on Iraq, Brexit is a deal-breaker
 
The Don said:
I agree wholeheartedly. Those of us in the party who were part of the New Labour movement have said this all along. Then again we were written off as "red Tories" by the old Trots and new joiners (who had no memory of the 79-97 period) and instead they chose Jeremy Corbyn.

I wouldn't have minded if I disagreed with many of his policies* if only he had been an effective leader and if only he didn't have a closet full of skeleton (real and imagined) that the Conservatives and their right wing press could use to distract and deflect whenever he was in a position to actually make a point.

* - apart from Brexit, like Tony Blair's policy on Iraq, Brexit is a deal-breaker
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Let me know if and when this actually happens.

Corbyn is a disaster. When I look back on past PMs, I look on the forthcoming Johnson vs Corbyn election as a battle between two very average flyweights. I have and always will be of the left, but I want Boris to win (and be immediately deposed, of course).
 
lionking said:
Let me know if and when this actually happens.
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It's already happened several times. Every time he manages to score some points against the Conservatives whether it's about the government's handling of Brexit, the rapid decline of the NHS, the impact of austerity on the poor and disabled or the disaster that is Universal Credit, you can bet that in the next couple of days there'll be something in the paper about Corbyn's past. Usually it's about his love of the IRA or Islamic extremists, sometimes it's about his past relationship with Dianne Abbot and sometimes it's just fingerpointing at his lifestyle.

lionking said:
Corbyn is a disaster. When I look back on past PMs, I look on the forthcoming Johnson vs Corbyn election as a battle between two very average flyweights. I have and always will be of the left, but I want Boris to win (and be immediately deposed, of course).
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IMO Boris will wipe the floor with Corbyn because the character he plays is designed to appeal to the British public, he uses long words and a significant proportion of the UK electorate seem to like a toff. :mad:
 
theprestige said:
My understanding is that historically Europeans have also had a strong tendency to be anti-semitic.
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Yeah but we're talking about the present, and the fact is that Muslim's, especially Arabs ones, have a strong tendency to be antisemitic.

This isn't even something that is exclusive to Labour or the UK. Typically it's left-wing parties that have sought voters among immigrant communities, a large portion of which are Muslim or originate from Muslim countries. These run a real risk of either coopting, or even being captured, on the local levels by people whose opinions are often completely contrary to what their party notionally stands for.
 
The Don said:
It's already happened several times. Every time he manages to score some points against the Conservatives whether it's about the government's handling of Brexit, the rapid decline of the NHS, the impact of austerity on the poor and disabled or the disaster that is Universal Credit, you can bet that in the next couple of days there'll be something in the paper about Corbyn's past. Usually it's about his love of the IRA or Islamic extremists, sometimes it's about his past relationship with Dianne Abbot and sometimes it's just fingerpointing at his lifestyle.
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Straight out of the playbook (i.e. that it's orchestrated).

Here are some others (about anti-Semitism):

In September 2017, general secretary of Unite the Union, Len McCluskey said that the row "was created by people who were trying to undermine Jeremy Corbyn

In May 2019, Labour National Executive Committee member Peter Willsman asserted that the Israeli embassy were "behind all this antisemitism" and were "the ones whipping it all up".


source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Labour_Party#Jeremy_Corbyn's_responses


Isn't it nice to see that posters here are so on message.
 
Venom said:
Mixing objective Israel critics with the antisemites does tend to muddy the waters, possibly benefits the antisemites more than anyone else.
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Having anti-Israel activists masquerade as "objective critics" also muddies the water.
 
Both major UK parties have a serious racism issue. It only seems to be a 'problem' for one of them though. Can't think why.... oh wait, yes I can.
 
The Atheist said:
I agree it's a problem, but the prime beneficiary is Israel.

It allows the country and its insane leaders to commit human rights abuses every day, because criticism is immediately labelled as anti-semitic.
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That's one way to look at it.

Another way is that Israel is under unprecedented scrutiny because even the obviously kooky and paranoid criticisms get taken seriously because many of the people waving the flags can't see their own biases.
 
Mycroft said:
That's one way to look at it.

Another way is that Israel is under unprecedented scrutiny because even the obviously kooky and paranoid criticisms get taken seriously because many of the people waving the flags can't see their own biases.
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Yeah, critics of Israel really need to embrace kooks and paranoids because Israel provides so little ammunition against their own administration.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/isra...conversion-therapy_n_5d2c79d3e4b02a5a5d5e5f86
 
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