Democrats Move to Ensure No More AOCs

kookbreaker said:
OK, so when someone comes in with "There's nothing in her CV to indicate she's qualified for anything beyond the bar-work she once did"

And the reply comes that she had two degrees that are actually quite relevant to government work. (I did fail to mention all her local community work)

So, all of a sudden, "Degrees don't count!!"

Gotcha.
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It's not sudden. Degrees have never really counted. And I've tried to point you in the direction if where you could make an argument for her qualifications, but you seem strangely uninterested in that, as if defending the importance of degrees rather than AOC was your true objective.
 
Ziggurat said:
I already gave a reason, one which you would gladly accept in regards to Trump, or probably any Republican candidate, but which doesn't apply to AOC. Because reasons.
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Hmm? No. Your projection is misplaced.

The counter argument to what was said by using degrees earned is valid. Period. One can certainly go further than that to evaluate the matter, of course, but trying to categorically deny that having earned relevant degrees has any significance at all is to deny the value of higher education in general.

That Trump has an undergraduate degree from Wharton is a point in his favor on relevant matters to it. It's certainly not definitive or the sole variable of importance when evaluating his trustworthiness on relevant matters, though.
 
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Aridas said:
Hmm? No. Your projection is misplaced.

The counter argument to what was said by using degrees earned is valid. Period. One can certainly go further than that to evaluate the matter, of course, but trying to categorically deny that having earned relevant degrees has any significance at all is to deny the value of higher education in general.
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Aside from STEM degrees, most degrees aren't worth much. A person may have learned useful skills in the process of obtaining such a degree, but they may not have. The degree itself doesn't tell you which it is.

If you don't know this, then you don't understand the current state of higher education in general.
 
Ziggurat said:
Aside from STEM degrees, most degrees aren't worth much. A person may have learned useful skills in the process of obtaining such a degree, but they may not have. The degree itself doesn't tell you which it is.
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Even if one accepts this, that wouldn't change that people with such degrees would be much more likely to have learned said useful skills than people without the degree... which certainly make it a relevant indicator - aka exactly what it was being argued to be. Your argument here only holds weight if such were being claimed to be definitive, which it wasn't. Your argument is one that negates the value of higher education entirely (though now with the added qualification about STEM), when looked at as it actually is.

Ziggurat said:
If you don't know this, then you don't understand the current state of higher education in general.
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Come back when you can argue without false accusations of double standards and can actually address what was said.
 
Aridas said:
Even if one accepts this, that wouldn't change that people with such degrees would be much more likely to have learned said useful skills than people without the degree...
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That doesn't follow at all. You're presuming college is the only place one can learn, and that's simply not true.

Come back when you can argue without false accusations of double standards and can actually address what was said.
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So you do think Trump's degree is an important qualification?

That's funny, I don't.
 
Ziggurat said:
That doesn't follow at all. You're presuming college is the only place one can learn, and that's simply not true.
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No, I'm not. What I said was that people with said degrees are much more likely to have the skills in question. What part of that is unclear?

Ziggurat said:
So you do think Trump's degree is an important qualification?

That's funny, I don't.
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Already addressed. It's not my fault if you refuse to actually read and comprehend the things that the people you respond to actually said and make a fool of yourself repeatedly in the process.
 
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Ziggurat said:
I already gave a reason,
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Yes, you gave the old STEMlord reason. Not really a very good reason, just snobbery.

one which you would gladly accept in regards to Trump, or probably any Republican candidate, but which doesn't apply to AOC. Because reasons.
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No. Not really. I don't dismiss Trumps degree, just the way he was constantly promoting it and saying things about his time there that were probably untrue.

I've worked with Wharton professors, graduates, and undergraduates and I can certainly see the skills they have developed or are developing. Don't know why you need to dismiss AOC's education.
 
kookbreaker said:
If smokescreen #1 doesn't work, try smokescreen #2.
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All to bite & hang on as tight as possible to a bit of bait dropped in here by a troll who demonstrated his/her own obsesssion with how AOC looks by pretending that that's her supporters' motivation.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Where you pulled this assertion from.
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Repeatedly and completely changing what you claim that you're saying after your claims are demonstrated to be completely disconnected with reality, over and over, makes me distinctly less willing to continue to humor you.

Ziggurat said:
Not in a comprehensible manner.
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Only if you were specifically trying not to comprehend what others say.

theprestige said:
Sometimes I just disagree with Zig, while also still thinking AOC is an underqualified buffoon. I'd have more of a problem with her, except for the whole stones and glass houses thing.
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Which is fair enough. I like her, but I have no problem with accepting that she's wrong at times about a variety of things. She's certainly human, after all. On the other hand... it's also worth pointing out that a heck of a lot of the criticisms that have been directed at her have been very much in error, themselves, and she's hit back on lots of them, not that many watchers of Fox News and conservative media would likely be exposed to anything more than the false criticism.
 
Getting a degree is very much like learning a language: you might not be smarter afterwards, but you can better communicate with others who have studied the same subject.

We know that Trump never learned anything academic about economics every time he says or does anything about the economy.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Oh come on. Isn't it obvious?
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One obvious reason to dismiss AOC's education is that it's not a differentiator. A college degree is certainly valuable in itself, but all of her peers have similar qualifications, and their competence is all over the map.

Even President Trump has a degree in Econ, from Wharton College. In a world where that's true, "she has a college degree!" doesn't mean much, and should probably be dismissed.
 
kookbreaker said:
I've worked with Wharton professors, graduates, and undergraduates and I can certainly see the skills they have developed or are developing. Don't know why you need to dismiss AOC's education.
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I’m not dismissing hers in particular. I’m pointing out that a college degree tells you nothing useful about a politician. You can pretend otherwise, but I doubt you have ever changed your vote on the basis of a candidate’s degree. Most voters don’t, and they are right not to do so.
 
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