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EU Summit: 'Timmermanns is a dangerous fanatic'

Today I are paid a visit to my embassy in London. On seeing my beautiful flag fluttering next to the EU one, my temporary abberation of yesterday has now passed (blame it on my early British school inculcation) and I am now back to being an avowed Remainer and Eurolover.

<phew!>
 
It's really telling that they can't even keep the facade of democracy standing with now nominating someone who didn't run as the candidate of a party like they promised. Doesn't help that Merkel had to abstain from the vote as her coalition partner is vehemently opposed to the nomination of her party member. Also doesn't help that Von Der Leyen has been involved in a huge corruption/nepotism scandal that led nowhere just because the German judiciary is not really independent (i.e. did not open a criminal investigation). Also doesn't help that Christine Lagarde, now chosen to head the ECB, is a convicted felon for embezzlement of 400 millions of French tax payer money. French judiciary is a bit better there - but only a bit, as the conviction had no consequences for her.

Lagarde doesn't need any approval, but Von Der Leyen does, from the EU Parliament. Will be interesting to watch. I don't think it will go smoothly.
 
Ursula Von Der Leyen is Defense Minister btw (Vixen mistakenly claimed that she is Foreign Minister).

Her nickname is "Flinten-Uschi". "Flinte" is a colloquial term for rifle, Uschi is short for Ursula. Seven kids, so no Childless European™. Asked if any of them went to the military, famously said "of course not".
 
Ursula Von Der Leyen is Defense Minister btw (Vixen mistakenly claimed that she is Foreign Minister).

Her nickname is "Flinten-Uschi". "Flinte" is a colloquial term for rifle, Uschi is short for Ursula. Seven kids, so no Childless European™. Asked if any of them went to the military, famously said "of course not".

She's the daughter of Albrecht, some former politician, so probably a career politician who' never really had to work for a living.

I note they've voted a Socialist Italian, Sassoli, as 'president' to sweeten the Merkel alliance. It's a fancy title for someone who is little more than the speaker.

The real power, of course, lies with the EU Commission.

As for the EC Bank, I can't see Legarde as the best person for the job at all. It smacks of Macron imposing her on us.
 
Yes, her family is old Geldadel ("Money Nobility").

According to wiki, he was a self-made textile magnate from Bremen.

Childhood, school time, education
Knoop was the fourth of eight children in an impoverished Bremen merchant family. He attended the local school of the parish. After his commercial apprenticeship in 1835, he went to his uncle in 1838, in Manchester the textile company De Jersey & Co. for operation. England was a pioneer in European cotton spinning and weaving machinery , and Knoop became acquainted with industrial textile processing there.
 
There were may generations between though. I think enough time as passed that it can be considered to be old money.

Well, Ursula von der Leyen went to the LSE so I guess it is some kind of grounding in politics (copying dad, Albrecht though). Her dream of a Federation of EU States smacks of visions of Greater Germania though. No wonder the Brexiteers are wound up.

Poor Ann Widdecombe was reduced to claiming Brits are the oppressed slaves of the EU rising up in revolt against its oppressors, in her 'maiden speech' [sic] at the EU Parliament.
 
According to wiki, he was a self-made textile magnate from Bremen.


Yeah as the Don says that was several generations ago. Her own wikipedia article has this:

wikipedia said:
Ursula von der Leyen is mainly of German descent and has one English American great-grandmother. The Albrecht family was among the patrician (hübsche) families of the Electorate of Hanover—a state that was in a personal union with the United Kingdom; her great-great-grandfather George Alexander Albrecht moved to Bremen in the 19th century, where he became a wealthy cotton merchant, part of the Hanseatic elite and the Austro-Hungarian Consul from 1895. He married the daughter of Baron Ludwig Knoop, one of the most successful entrepreneurs of the 19th century Russian Empire.[8] Their son was the cotton merchant Friedrich Carl Albrecht, who married Mary Ladson Robertson (1883–1960), an American from Charleston, South Carolina of colonial English planter class descent. von der Leyen's great-grandmother was the daughter of the Charleston cotton merchant Edward Twells Robertson and Sarah Gilmor Ladson; Edward Robertson established the Edward T. Robertson & Son company that was active as controllers in the international cotton business.[9] The family is included in the book The Prominent Families of the United States of America.[10] Mary Ladson Robertson was a member of the National Society of the Colonial Dames of America and a descendant of South Carolina governor Thomas Smith.[11] Ursula von der Leyen's grandfather Friedrich Carl Albrecht was a physician and psychotherapist. She is the niece of the conductor George Alexander Albrecht and a first cousin of the chief conductor of the Dutch National Opera Marc Albrecht.[12]

She is married to Heiko von der Leyen, a professor of medicine, the CEO of a medical engineering company and a member of the von der Leyen family, an aristocratic family noted as silk merchants and industrialists.


So in addition to her own familiy's old money (and one of her great-great-great grandfather being declared a Russian Baron), she married into an actual "noble" family (although there is no official nobility in Germany since after WW1), the von der Leyen, another textile/silk industrialist dynasty.
 
Yeah as the Don says that was several generations ago. Her own wikipedia article has this:




So in addition to her own familiy's old money (and one of her great-great-great grandfather being declared a Russian Baron), she married into an actual "noble" family (although there is no official nobility in Germany since after WW1), the von der Leyen, another textile/silk industrialist dynasty.

Politicians being rich is nothing new. In fact, the members of the Opposition in the UK, the current Labour Party have more privately educated members than the Conservative Party, or so I read somewhere. Most have never been near t'mill or t'mine in their lives.
 
Politicians being rich is nothing new. In fact, the members of the Opposition in the UK, the current Labour Party have more privately educated members than the Conservative Party, or so I read somewhere. Most have never been near t'mill or t'mine in their lives.

Unless there's been a drastic change in the last 4 years, you have misremembered:

From a 2015 BBC article:

Among Conservative MPs, nearly half (48%) were privately educated, the report indicates.

.....

Among Labour MPs, some 17% went to private schools, among Liberal Democrats the figure was 14%.

The figure was far lower among Scottish National Party MPs, at just 5%.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-32692789

The comprehensive school is the least privileged and the figures are echoed there as well:

Almost two-thirds of Labour MPs and a third of Conservatives, 57% of Liberal Democrats and 90% of Scottish Nationalist MPs went to comprehensives, the analysis indicates.
 
At the moment you have to wonder if the attitude of many in the Eu toward the UK is "better off without that bunch anyway".
 
It's difficult to negotiate when one side (the EU) won't agree to discuss anything except how much money you must give them to leave and how much control they'll impose on you after you've left. You may be allowed to discuss the things you want (such as free trade deals) only after you've agreed to their preconditions and left - but there's no certainty that they'll offer anything once you've paid and agreed to their legally binding terms.
Nope. Those are the terms of membership that the UK signed up to in the first place, not some new thing the EU has sprung unexpectedly.

If you are fine with deals and commitments already made being tossed, good luck finding any other nation that will trust you.
 
At the moment you have to wonder if the attitude of many in the Eu toward the UK is "better off without that bunch anyway".
There is certainly an undercurrent of that feeling going around. It simply is not yet very vocal. Some of the 27 have said exactly that.
 
Nope. Those are the terms of membership that the UK signed up to in the first place, not some new thing the EU has sprung unexpectedly.

If you are fine with deals and commitments already made being tossed, good luck finding any other nation that will trust you.

One reason we want to leave is that we DIDN'T sign up to those terms when we joined - back then the EEC was mostly just a free trade area - more and more rules and conditions creep in every year - and the 'common market' as it was is gradually morphing into the United States of Europe.
 
More and more rules in which we had veto's we didn't use, and were actuve in writing the bloody rules.

Stop rewriting history to fit your distorted image of how the EU actually worked.

We were one of the major drivers behind all the rules you are currently complaining about.
 
At the moment you have to wonder if the attitude of many in the Eu toward the UK is "better off without that bunch anyway".

The eu UK split is one of many reasons further unification will never happen, and with the current crop of leadership that is not going to change
 
This latest farce has just reinforced why I voted to leave.

A free-trade area is an obvious boon to all of the countries involved including the UK. I don't have many problems about free movemnet (within limits, staying out of Shengen is the obvious one). But this anti-democratic crap is beyond the pale and that there is no public scrutiny of the aims of the Comission. They are on an adventure for which none of us have voted to join, and with aims that are indistinct (greater EU integration).

No thanks. This isn't democracy, if the Commission can overturn Parliamentary decisions on a whim, it's totaliarism, it doesnt matter that it's not an individual who is the dictator, a single body with no other control is the dictator.

That for me is unacceptable, and they just reinforced it.
 
This latest farce has just reinforced why I voted to leave.

A free-trade area is an obvious boon to all of the countries involved including the UK. I don't have many problems about free movemnet (within limits, staying out of Shengen is the obvious one). But this anti-democratic crap is beyond the pale and that there is no public scrutiny of the aims of the Comission. They are on an adventure for which none of us have voted to join, and with aims that are indistinct (greater EU integration).

No thanks. This isn't democracy, if the Commission can overturn Parliamentary decisions on a whim, it's totaliarism, it doesnt matter that it's not an individual who is the dictator, a single body with no other control is the dictator.

That for me is unacceptable, and they just reinforced it.


Not only has departing EU Head Juncker criticised the method of her selection as not being done transparently (he himself stood and was elected in an open contest) - and Juncker comes from the same Christian Democratic European People's Party (as does Merkel) as von der Leyen, but the Greens (who were a very sizeable vote during the recent EU elections) are threatening not to back her unless she concedes to their green demands, which she seems to be giving lip service to, supposedly wanting the European Union 'federation' to become carbon neutral and leading the world, she's in trouble with the Socialists, too:

The 60-year-old German Christian Democrat has yet to win over a sizable number of Socialist members of the European Parliament from Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Britain as she seeks the backing of an absolute majority of the 751-seat assembly to succeed Jean-Claude Juncker atop the EU’s executive arm.

Von der Leyen didn't even put herself forward as a candidate which is my objection. She seems to have been pushed forward as nobody on the right wanted Timmermans. Farage called him a lunatic. So he sounds like a good guy by that token.
 
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