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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

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Vixen said:
Legally he was allowed to walk free, as was Al Capone.
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Capone was convicted on every charge brought against him:

1929: sentenced to one year in prison for carrying concealed deadly weapon. Time served: 9 months
Feb 1931: sentenced to 6 months for contempt of court.
October 18, 1931, convicted after trial. November 24,sentenced to eleven years in federal prison, fined $50,000 and charged $7,692 for court costs, in addition to $215,000 plus interest due on back taxes. The six-month contempt of court sentence was to be served concurrently.
Time served: 7.5 years.

In effect, the Supreme Court confirmed Knox and Sollecito took part in the murder, together with Rudy Guede but that there wasn't enough evidence to convict them of murder.
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In effect, you live in an alternate reality. If the Court actually thought that, they'd have sent it back down to another appeal court. Get real, Vix. Instead what do they do? They rule that, with the evidence presented, the pair should never have been convicted in any court. But, per your usual, you think you know what they really thought....
 
Vixen said:
Legally he was allowed to walk free, as was Al Capone. In effect, the Supreme Court confirmed Knox and Sollecito took part in the murder, together with Rudy Guede but that there wasn't enough evidence to convict them of murder.
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Oh dear. Is that really what you think the Supreme Court "confirmed"? If so, it explains rather a lot......


(Hint: what the Supreme Court actually confirmed was/is nothing of the sort. As anyone with any understanding of jurisprudence and basic logic would be able to understand)
 
The current battle over on YouTube has reached a lull in the proceedings with Harry Rag back on the "mixed blood" again along with the usual stuff he does. Francisco who used to post on IA was in good form kicking the crap out of Rag at every opportunity while I pitched in whenever I could. I noticed that Chris H pitched in with a couple of posts too but it was a case of casting pearls before swine methinks. The problem as I see it is that YouTube is very pro-guilt dominated with new stuff coming out every few weeks. It's mostly misinformed crap but I feel obliged to put the record straight at every opportunity, Francisco does so too. I'm not saying more people here should pitch into the fight since it's only Rag now along with his attack hamster Corpus Vile who can't post without a spliff in his mouth, and their collective arses are easy enough to kick.

Apologies if this sounds patronising but there are people here with a lot of knowledge about the case, the bottom line is that if they can do a podcast, why can't we? We're at the endgame of the case so we should be able to give the case closure on a wider platform such as YouTube instead of being stuck in a tar-pit here. Y'all are pinned down by a lone lunatic who doesn't deserve the effort. How long is that going to go on? Just sayin'

Hoots
 
These PGP are desperate to regain some relevancy in a case that the vast majority of people have lost interest in since the 2015 acquittal. They think they are going to convince new 'converts' when, in reality, they are only preaching to the choir in an echo chamber. That is obvious when you read the comments on their podcasts as they are almost exclusively in agreement. There is no new evidence. There is no new information. People who care/cared made up their minds long ago on which side of this they stand. The PIP don't need to do podcasts or try to convince others of AK and RS's innocence; they were acquitted. To put it bluntly, we won.

I'm not trying to convince Vixen she's wrong. That's never going to happen. I accept that's as likely as convincing Trump he has narcissistic personality disorder. I'm here because it's just so damn entertaining!
 
Stacyhs said:
These PGP are desperate to regain some relevancy in a case that the vast majority of people have lost interest in since the 2015 acquittal. They think they are going to convince new 'converts' when, in reality, they are only preaching to the choir in an echo chamber. That is obvious when you read the comments on their podcasts as they are almost exclusively in agreement. There is no new evidence. There is no new information. People who care/cared made up their minds long ago on which side of this they stand. The PIP don't need to do podcasts or try to convince others of AK and RS's innocence; they were acquitted. To put it bluntly, we won.

I'm not trying to convince Vixen she's wrong. That's never going to happen. I accept that's as likely as convincing Trump he has narcissistic personality disorder. I'm here because it's just so damn entertaining!
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Yep! We won, but not enough people know about the facts and are still wallowing in mixed blood, bloody footprints, mops and clean-ups, Meredith and Amanda not getting on, washed blood off hands, blah blah. I still think podcasts or a YouTube presence would be infinitely better way of getting POV's across, especially when no-one is saying anything here that hasn't been said before. The ramifications of the ECHR judgement would be a good start. I'm glad though, that you find it entertaining here. :confused:
 
TomG said:
Yep! We won, but not enough people know about the facts and are still wallowing in mixed blood, bloody footprints, mops and clean-ups, Meredith and Amanda not getting on, washed blood off hands, blah blah. I still think podcasts or a YouTube presence would be infinitely better way of getting POV's across, especially when no-one is saying anything here that hasn't been said before. The ramifications of the ECHR judgement would be a good start.
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If these people still think there were mixed blood, bloody footprints, mops and clean-ups, then they do not want to know any better. They've had years to learn the facts and they've chosen not to.

No one is saying anything that hasn't been said before anywhere, not just here.

I'm glad though, that you find it entertaining here.
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I'm certainly not here to try and convince the lone PGP poster of anything...nor is anyone else, I'd bet. That ship sailed a long time ago. Hell, it sank a long time ago.
 
Numbers said:
And, ironically, the evidence that they were, hypothetically, in another part of the cottage during the murder was only based on inadmissible evidence: Amanda Knox's statements from the Nov. 5/6 interrogations. The Gemelli CSC panel had ruled that those statements could not be used against her for the murder/rape trial because Amanda's defense rights had been violated.

I believe that this failure of the Marasca CSC panel to include this hypothesis without mentioning the Gemelli CSC panel judgment on inadmissibility is indicative of the dysfunction within the Italian judicial system to fully respect Italian law. It's evidence of the tendency to revert to the methods of the inquisitorial system, where there wasn't any concept of inadmissible evidence.
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It doesn't change that it is a legally established fact the pair were in the cottage 'during the murder of the young Meredith Kercher'.

It is as legal a fact as what date is on your birth certificate.

LEGAL FACT: in perpetuity. Thus, scholars 100 years from this day will read it as FACT the pair were present when Mez was brutally killed.
 
Bill Williams said:
What is amazing is that at times the guilter-nutters need Knox to be stupid, and at other times a master, cunning criminal. Make up your mind!
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Can't be all that bright. Planning to make it look like a 'burglary gone wrong' and then making it look like the burglary attempt was after the murder, with 'burglary' debris scattered on top of the duvet covering the body, underneath which was the bra clasp stamped with Sollecitos clear DNA. And a ladies size 37 trainer imprint in blood, identified by a forensic expert as ASICS.
 
Bill Williams said:
Vixen is now not content in alleging that RS and AK were only present during the murder, she now claims that the final acquitting court confirmed that they took part in the murder.

This despite the acquitting court saying, first in relation to to the failure of the lower, convicting court to establish a time-of-death:
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Then there are all the other times the Supreme Court refers to their presence at the cottage as being only "alleged" (but why let THAT stop you falsely claiming that the court found that they actually, factually took part):
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Despite these words, Vixen is sure that the Supreme Court thought it factual that they were there.
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Judges don't do 'alleging'. They are paid to give it straight.
 
And if a birth certificate states the wrong date of birth, it doesn't change the actual day you were born on.

My father's legal birth certificate names his adoptive father in the "father" section. Does that somehow change his DNA from that of his biological father to his legal father's DNA?
 
bagels said:
What does that make Mignini her failed prosecutor then haha
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Mignini knows she did it. Why do you think she hates him so much her entire books is all about her vitriol towards him for arresting her. He knows she knows he knows she did it. Of course she hates him. Criminals hate their prosecutors, not to mention the police who arrest them. And the screws.
 
whoanellie said:
Al Capone spent 8 years in prison.
Does your belief that the Supreme Court "confirmed Knox and Sollecito took part in the murder" comfort you? Cold comfort indeed.
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Not for murder and extortion he didn't. He was done for tax evasion. Almost like a respectable business man or US president.

It doesn't comfort me. I am a coolly scientific analytical person. BS doesn't interest me.
 
Vixen said:
It doesn't change that it is a legally established fact the pair were in the cottage 'during the murder of the young Meredith Kercher'.

It is as legal a fact as what date is on your birth certificate.

LEGAL FACT: in perpetuity. Thus, scholars 100 years from this day will read it as FACT the pair were present when Mez was brutally killed.
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Read upthread the actual text of the 2015 Supreme Court acquittal which says that their presence was "alleged", and the only thing proven was that they were there at a later time.
 
Vixen said:
Mignini knows she did it. Why do you think she hates him so much her entire books is all about her vitriol towards him for arresting her. He knows she knows he knows she did it. Of course she hates him. Criminals hate their prosecutors, not to mention the police who arrest them. And the screws.
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Why would a guilty Knox hate Mignini? She couldn't have asked for a more incompetent prosecutor.
 
Vixen said:
Judges don't do 'alleging'. They are paid to give it straight.
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Huh? The acquitting court said that it was only an allegation that placed the pair at the cottage at the **time of the murder**. What was proven, the SC said, was that even if the prosecution case was true, it placed the pair at the scene **after** the murder.

Your two sentences above are bizarre non sequiturs.
 
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Stacyhs said:
And if a birth certificate states the wrong date of birth, it doesn't change the actual day you were born on.

My father's legal birth certificate names his adoptive father in the "father" section. Does that somehow change his DNA from that of his biological father to his legal father's DNA?
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An adopted child has the same legal status as a biological child.

There is no legal anomaly there. So when your father came to inherit, he was 100% entitled to should anyone argue he was not because of his adopted status.
 
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