2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker

[Craig4]

Harris kind of odd. She's said one thing and then the other on private health care and Medicare for All a few times. I think she is trying to use supplemental private insurance to answer "yes" or "no" to whether private insurance would be abolished at different times.

Then on busing, she ended giving the same answer Biden did.

For her history as a progressive prosecutor, she has been on both sides of issues a lot as well.

So, for people who don't like the idea of a woman president, she's Clinton times 10. She's not just a woman trying to be president, she's a woman who will find your weaknesses and thrust a salt and vinegar coated dagger through them. There is a portion of independent voters who will be turned off by that. She still needs to find what she's running for and sync that with what independent voters are looking for. Just destroying an opponent isn't enough.

 

[Travis]

We'll ignore that most of this nonsense about Harris is coming from Bernie allies (and a dedicated bot campaign on Twitter) who seem to be getting increasingly desperate as he just doesn't climb in the polls. They've been swarm reporting anyone that is pro Harris in an overt way. I've seen a half dozen friends on there get suspended for nothing because they pointed out how poorly Bernie is doing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

OK, all you people nervous about a female candidate, keep in mind Clinton, with all her baggage, won by 3 million votes. Her campaign strategy decisions and Russian interference are some of the reasons Trump is in the White House. She didn't lose because voters wouldn't accept a female POTUS.

What people are saying is Biden can win because he's from the uninspiring middle, supposedly safe. I'm not convinced Trump won't walk all over him. Biden is from the same era as Clinton who made old campaign decisions, 'ignore attacks, don't draw attention to them'. That was a bad strategy for her. She ignored the Goldman Sachs attack from Sanders when she could have addressed it. She didn't fight the 'we want to end coal jobs' sound bite, she could have.

And already instead of facing up to his past racism POV on bussing, Biden has brushed it off with a lie. He could have said he has come a long way from those days. Both Biden and Clinton have connections to the jailing of blacks. He's not doing any better job at this point addressing that problem.

Listening to Harris talk at her last event, I'm sad to say I was uninspired. I was hoping for better.

I still hope Biden doesn't win the primary. I still believe Bernie is waiting for the revolution that isn't going to come.

So that leaves the rest of the crowd. I will admit my bias up front. I do not relish an old white guy as a candidate. But I will take one if that's what we get and if he's inspiring. Biden is uninspiring. Sanders doesn't inspire me personally.

 

[bruto]

OK, all you people nervous about a female candidate, keep in mind Clinton, with all her baggage, won by 3 million votes. Her campaign strategy decisions and Russian interference are some of the reasons Trump is in the White House. She didn't lose because voters wouldn't accept a female POTUS.

What people are saying is Biden can win because he's from the uninspiring middle, supposedly safe. I'm not convinced Trump won't walk all over him. Biden is from the same era as Clinton who made old campaign decisions, 'ignore attacks, don't draw attention to them'. That was a bad strategy for her. She ignored the Goldman Sachs attack from Sanders when she could have addressed it. She didn't fight the 'we want to end coal jobs' sound bite, she could have.

And already instead of facing up to his past racism POV on bussing, Biden has brushed it off with a lie. He could have said he has come a long way from those days. Both Biden and Clinton have connections to the jailing of blacks. He's not doing any better job at this point addressing that problem.

Listening to Harris talk at her last event, I'm sad to say I was uninspired. I was hoping for better.

I still hope Biden doesn't win the primary. I still believe Bernie is waiting for the revolution that isn't going to come.

So that leaves the rest of the crowd. I will admit my bias up front. I do not relish an old white guy as a candidate. But I will take one if that's what we get and if he's inspiring. Biden is uninspiring. Sanders doesn't inspire me personally.

I like Sanders as a Vermont senator and congressman and as a spokesman for some ideas, and I'd vote for him if he ran for President against Trump, but I'd rather see someone else do so. It would be nice if Warren were a little younger, but so far I'd rather see her than most of the others.

e.t.a. I kind of like Buttigieg too. My stepson suggests that he'd make a good vice candidate, in part because he has a long-standing bad relationship with Pence, and might do a good job of gutting him in a campaign. I would not mind seeing that.

 

[Tero]

This Is the Agenda America Needs': Sanders Fires Back After Biden Attacks Medicare for All and Other Progressive Solutions
"I'm proud to be working with AOC and so many other Democrats to pass Medicare for All, debt-free college, and a Green New Deal," said Sen. Bernie Sanders
Biden suggested he supports allowing Americans to buy in to Medicare instead of going all the way to Medicare for All, which he slammed as disruptive and costly despite studies showing it would save the U.S. trillions of dollars in overall healthcare spending.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ck-after-biden-attacks-medicare-all-and-other

The Biden thing is not going to work. We need EVERYONE on Medicare, then sell additional insurance for fancy new cures and fancy cutting edge (haha) surgeries and cures. Or more coverage while in hospital, where everyone gets all the outpatient surgery they need.

 

[BobTheCoward]

I like Sanders as a Vermont senator and congressman and as a spokesman for some ideas, and I'd vote for him if he ran for President against Trump, but I'd rather see someone else do so. It would be nice if Warren were a little younger, but so far I'd rather see her than most of the others.

e.t.a. I kind of like Buttigieg too. My stepson suggests that he'd make a good vice candidate, in part because he has a long-standing bad relationship with Pence, and might do a good job of gutting him in a campaign. I would not mind seeing that.

Pete and Pence have a cordial relationship. Pete said his issue with pence is that he is a fanatic, which is probably a compliment.

 

[BobTheCoward]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...ck-after-biden-attacks-medicare-all-and-other

The Biden thing is not going to work. We need EVERYONE on Medicare, then sell additional insurance for fancy new cures and fancy cutting edge (haha) surgeries and cures. Or more coverage while in hospital, where everyone gets all the outpatient surgery they need.

Why do you want everyone...children, healthy adults, etc, on a program designed around the needs of the elderly and disabled? That sounds like a bad idea. We are talking federal payment to plans being 3 times what they are in Medicaid.

 

[The Atheist]

Why do you want everyone...children, healthy adults, etc, on a program designed around the needs of the elderly and disabled? That sounds like a bad idea. We are talking federal payment to plans being 3 times what they are in Medicaid.

Are you aware America isn't the only country on the planet?

When you figure that part out, you will notice that other "developed"* countries have universal free healthcare.

*I remain unconvinced that word applies to USA.

 

[bruto]

Why do you want everyone...children, healthy adults, etc, on a program designed around the needs of the elderly and disabled? That sounds like a bad idea. We are talking federal payment to plans being 3 times what they are in Medicaid.

It seems it might be possible to tailor the plan so it covers other than the elderly and disabled. I realize that for some it's a radical idea, but what about just developing a plan designed around the needs of the sick and injured?

 

[theprestige]

It seems it might be possible to tailor the plan so it covers other than the elderly and disabled. I realize that for some it's a radical idea, but what about just developing a plan designed around the needs of the sick and injured?

Sounds good, but you know what we'd actually get is a system designed around the needs of the politicians and lobbyists who designed it.

 

[Cabbage]

Sounds good, but you know what we'd actually get is a system designed around the needs of the politicians and lobbyists who designed it.

...and that would be worse than the current or, for that matter, pre-Obamacare system designed around the needs of the politicians and lobbyists who designed it? How, precisely?

Your "argument" is just generic BS designed to dismiss any plan.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Are you aware America isn't the only country on the planet?

When you figure that part out, you will notice that other "developed"* countries have universal free healthcare.

*I remain unconvinced that word applies to USA.

We were not discussing a plan like other countries. Someone specifically mentioned adding people to Medicare.

 

[BobTheCoward]

It seems it might be possible to tailor the plan so it covers other than the elderly and disabled. I realize that for some it's a radical idea, but what about just developing a plan designed around the needs of the sick and injured?

If someone proposed a plan around that, it wouldn't be Medicare. That is why I'm commenting on a post specifically about Medicare and skipping ones about UHC generally.

 

[Aridas]

OK, all you people nervous about a female candidate, keep in mind Clinton, with all her baggage, won by 3 million votes. Her campaign strategy decisions and Russian interference are some of the reasons Trump is in the White House.

Let's not forget the long-term Republican slander, which quite certainly had a very real effect, and the FBI interference. Personally, I didn't really want her, though that had much more to do with expectations of Republican actions and the increased effectiveness of their propaganda than any problem with her. Of the candidates, she would almost certainly have done the best actual job at actually being the President, by far, before even getting to policy and ideology, which I was generally far more in line with her official positions than I was with any of the others.

She didn't lose because voters wouldn't accept a female POTUS.

When I last looked at relevant numbers, a woman is just about as viable as a man, and possibly even more viable. A couple percent of more people are outright opposed to women being President than are for a man, and a much larger percentage are very enthusiastic about a woman than are for a man becoming President, which likely does notably more than offsets it. That I haven't heard the media talk about that at all is a huge failure on their part, albeit reasonably likely to be somewhat intentional from much of it.

What people are saying is Biden can win because he's from the uninspiring middle, supposedly safe.

Biden is a guy who repeatedly lost already. That's not exactly inspiring... and honestly should raise serious questions about how electable HE actually is, rather than putting focus directly on everyone but him for being, say, female. The MSM's been playing up his viability pretty much the entire time since candidates began to announce their runs, either way, and I quite suspect that that has a lot to do with what popularity he has.

Listening to Harris talk at her last event, I'm sad to say I was uninspired. I was hoping for better.

For some reason, Harris has ended up mostly off my radar, so to speak. I've heard her talked up as, for example, the most actually preferable candidate, and I have no objection to voting for her, unlike what I have for Biden (Biden's still better than Trump, but that bar's not one that says nigh anything). I just don't find myself actually having reason to favor her over, say, Warren, though. I may have become somewhat pointedly biased towards Warren by now, though.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sounds good, but you know what we'd actually get is a system designed around the needs of the politicians and lobbyists who designed it.

I imagine that is how it seems to you, given you support the "repeal and replace Affordable Care Act" crowd who never had any replacement. Their only plan was to make Obama look bad, attack liberals incessantly and go back to the status quo of Big Pharma, Big Medicine and Big Insurance Company profits.

 

[theprestige]

I imagine that is how it seems to you, given you support the "repeal and replace Affordable Care Act" crowd who never had any replacement. Their only plan was to make Obama look bad, attack liberals incessantly and go back to the status quo of Big Pharma, Big Medicine and Big Insurance Company profits.

It's how it seems to me, given how politics works.

Show me a plan designed by selfless humanitarians, and I'll show you a plan that nobody will ever enjoy, thanks to politicians.

But you can't actually show me such a plan, can you?

And yet you still get phenomenally butthurt at the suggestion that I won't support your favorite politicians and their plans.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's how it seems to me, given how politics works.

Show me a plan designed by selfless humanitarians, and I'll show you a plan that nobody will ever enjoy, thanks to politicians.

But you can't actually show me such a plan, can you?

And yet you still get phenomenally butthurt at the suggestion that I won't support your favorite politicians and their plans.

The ACA was a decent start.

The GOP sabotaged it bit by bit.

 

[Belz...]

Harris is just another typical ladder climbing, career politician

Isn't anyone trying to win a higher position "ladder climbing"? Is it true of Sanders, then? Warren?

 

[Delvo]

Sounds good, but you know what we'd actually get is a system designed around the needs of the politicians and lobbyists who designed it.

In a single universal system, that would mean they'd designing something that benefits everybody as much as it benefits its authors. The only way to see that as a bad thing is to see it as bad if the peasants get any benefits.

 

[applecorped]

OK, all you people nervous about a female candidate, keep in mind Clinton, with all her baggage, won by 3 million votes. Her campaign strategy decisions and Russian interference are some of the reasons Trump is in the White House. She didn't lose because voters wouldn't accept a female POTUS.

What people are saying is Biden can win because he's from the uninspiring middle, supposedly safe. I'm not convinced Trump won't walk all over him. Biden is from the same era as Clinton who made old campaign decisions, 'ignore attacks, don't draw attention to them'. That was a bad strategy for her. She ignored the Goldman Sachs attack from Sanders when she could have addressed it. She didn't fight the 'we want to end coal jobs' sound bite, she could have.

And already instead of facing up to his past racism POV on bussing, Biden has brushed it off with a lie. He could have said he has come a long way from those days. Both Biden and Clinton have connections to the jailing of blacks. He's not doing any better job at this point addressing that problem.

Listening to Harris talk at her last event, I'm sad to say I was uninspired. I was hoping for better.

I still hope Biden doesn't win the primary. I still believe Bernie is waiting for the revolution that isn't going to come.

So that leaves the rest of the crowd. I will admit my bias up front. I do not relish an old white guy as a candidate. But I will take one if that's what we get and if he's inspiring. Biden is uninspiring. Sanders doesn't inspire me personally.

Correction you mean she lost with 3 million more popular votes than Trump.


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