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A Celebrity's Opinion. Who Cares?

@ psion

Apart from my lack of comprehension regarding you responses to my posts, we now have the following examples from others. It would help if you paid a little more attention to what you post.


Darat said:
Not seeing why you quoted my post as you've not actually addressed anything in my post?
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quadraginta said:
I have no idea what I wrote that gave you such an idea.

I suspect that you don't, either.
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Personally I think that Folau should not be sacked for saying those things. RA can simply point out that the dumb things their footballers say on social media don't represent their views.

And I think we should get over being offended when someone says "Woo, woo, the bogeyman is going to get you if you are gay".
 
cullennz said:
Having said this I think the 2 million he has raised is just as much a backlash over the way over top "Folau is evil, we must crush him" reaction from the hand wringing offended on behalf of others, virtue signalling, SJWs, than people that care about his actual case.
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Remind me who said "Folau is evil, we must crush him".

As far as I know he was contractually bound to not make public statements which were discriminatory against minorities. He understood this and it had been reiterated to him, after which he deliberately went against it and after a hearing it was decided by contractual law experts that he had broken his contract.

We will find out when he gets to court whether an employer has the right to limit our speech in forums not directly connected with our employers.

But most of us are in the same boat. My employer has made it clear to us that they monitor our social media and would not hesitate to take disciplinary action, including possibly termination of employment if I were to make remarks that were discriminatory against minorities.

If someone in my company made racist, anti-semitic or homophobic remarks on social media (and I don't know of anyone here who would do so) they would probably be terminated straight away without the courtesy of the warning that Folau got.

If after a warning they posted the same racist, anti-semitic or homophobic remark then they would certainly be terminated.

So Folau is not being subjected to anything that the rest of us do not have to deal with, except that, unlike us, he has millions of dollars and supporters willing to give him millions more and the backing of powerful figures in the main stream media.

I do wonder if Folau's target had been Jews, Hindus or Sikh's whether the support for him would have been so strong.

Personally I don't think our employers should have the power to control our social media output, but I guess the good thing that comes out of these is that this power will get tested in court.
 
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Robin said:
And I think we should get over being offended when someone says "Woo, woo, the bogeyman is going to get you if you are gay".
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One thing you need to factor into on this subject is that ARU's major sponsor is QANTAS, which is a very pro-LGBT company, with a gay CEO.

They made it very clear that ARU must not allow their players to carry on like that, which is why Folau got given the final warning.

Robin said:
Personally I don't think our employers should have the power to control our social media output, but I guess the good thing that comes out of these is that this power will get tested in court.
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Long since tested and found to be reasonable.

Saying employees should be allowed to say what they like is a great theory, but in practice, it leads to people slagging off their boss or company in public.

Also, how about if you have staff that are proud members of NAMBLA, or the Aryan Brotherhood? You'd just let them post away as long as they didn't break the law?
 
Thor 2 said:
@ psion

Apart from my lack of comprehension regarding you responses to my posts, we now have the following examples from others. It would help if you paid a little more attention to what you post.
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Why do you expect me to do what you do not?

You took exception with a simple statement of fact simply because I was the one who posted it and you have been running away from it ever since. If others support you against me then it is reasonable to ask if they also support your POV.

And if you did a little reading yourself you would notice that others have responded to the posts that you quoted.
 
Robin said:
Remind me who said "Folau is evil, we must crush him".

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Personally I don't think our employers should have the power to control our social media output, but I guess the good thing that comes out of these is that this power will get tested in court.
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Don't know if anyone made that "Folau is evil, we must crush him" statement although I guess it would have been implied by some. I would rather a cry of "Folau is stupid, we must laugh at him."

I wonder about religious zealots who condemn homosexuals with such venom. In order to see justice in this stance, they are compelled to believe that evil homosexuality is a choice. If not they must lay the blame on the creator for making them so.

Having met those having the mindset that gays choose to be gay. It confounds me because the evidence is clear that it is not so. I think you have to work at it with diligence to remain so ignorant.

Yes I agree folk should be free to post whatever crap they will on social media. Censorship is not the answer, education is.
 
psionl0 said:
Why do you expect me to do what you do not?

You took exception with a simple statement of fact simply because I was the one who posted it and you have been running away from it ever since. If others support you against me then it is reasonable to ask if they also support your POV.

And if you did a little reading yourself you would notice that others have responded to the posts that you quoted.
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Another miss. :boggled:

The problem is you're lack of comprehension of that which is posted, as well as your responses to that which is not posted. There are three of us here who have made this observation.
 
The Atheist said:
One thing you need to factor into on this subject is that ARU's major sponsor is QANTAS, which is a very pro-LGBT company, with a gay CEO.

They made it very clear that ARU must not allow their players to carry on like that, which is why Folau got given the final warning.



Long since tested and found to be reasonable.

Saying employees should be allowed to say what they like is a great theory, but in practice, it leads to people slagging off their boss or company in public.

Also, how about if you have staff that are proud members of NAMBLA, or the Aryan Brotherhood? You'd just let them post away as long as they didn't break the law?
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But what if the company announces that the new policy is to support one political party over another?

When I was younger I was told that I was jeopardising my job because I was reading a left-wing newspaper in the lunch room. Being young and free of commitments I could tell them to back off, but if I was older and had a family depending on me I would probably have had to comply.
 
Robin said:
But what if the company announces that the new policy is to support one political party over another?
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No problem with that - private companies can make their own rules, as they should be able to. The owner dictates and people can decide to work there or not.
 
The Atheist said:
No problem with that - private companies can make their own rules, as they should be able to. The owner dictates and people can decide to work there or not.
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Perhaps you didn't read to the end of my post.

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Robin said:
Perhaps you didn't read to the end of my post.
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Yeah I did. I didn;t comment on it, because it would have just repeated what I'd posted.

Robin said:
When I was younger I was told that I was jeopardising my job because I was reading a left-wing newspaper in the lunch room. Being young and free of commitments I could tell them to back off, but if I was older and had a family depending on me I would probably have had to comply.
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Fine by me. The employer's a dick, and you have the choice of working there or not.

What's wrong with that?
 
It seems to me that critiques of Folau have missed an opportunity here. If he, Folau, is trying to impress us with what a pillar of virtue he is, can any other examples of his exemplary character be found. Philanthropy perhaps? Is he a blood donor maybe?
 
Thor 2 said:
It seems to me that critiques of Folau have missed an opportunity here. If he, Folau, is trying to impress us with what a pillar of virtue he is, can any other examples of his exemplary character be found. Philanthropy perhaps? Is he a blood donor maybe?
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If he's a blood donor, would that change your opinion of him?
 
Senator Penny Wong has weighed into the debate about Folau's prediction, regarding future Hell dwellers.

Labor senator Penny Wong has used Q&A to deliver an emotional response to Israel Folau's social media commentary, saying: "I wish that public figures, politicians, sporting stars etc. might consider for a moment … where their words land in vulnerable Australians before they speak them."
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07...ional-message-to-israel-folau-on-q&a/11290650

Pondering on this, I wonder what effect this would have, on Folau fans. Would he lose some of his lustre perhaps, or would his ball playing skills, trump any attack on his credibility?
 
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