Cont: Brexit: Now What? 7th heaven...

[The Don]

Parties must convene and decide how to avoid a no deal Brexit. Together, if possible. Whatever BJ says, that's the case.

McHrozni

The problem is that the Conservatives and Brexit Party actively want a no-deal Brexit.

Jeremy Corbyn seems to prefer a no-deal Brexit to no Brexit - my guess is that he thinks he can negotiate a great deal after both the EU and UK have suffered the consequences of a no-deal Brexit

So while in a sane world they should do exactly what you say, Brexit seems to exert a bizarre influence over politicians and they seem mesmerised by 20% or so of the population.

 

[McHrozni]

Unfortunately extension doesn't solve anything it merely causes the can to be kicked down the road - again.

It depends on the exact circumstances. If BJ asked for an extension because a vote of no confidence went through and UK lacked an authority to do much about Brexit, it might grant one. EU doesn't want a no deal Brexit either and granting an extension in this particular case might be a good idea.

At the end of the extension period, we'd be back with the same three options as we've had since ever.....

- No Deal
- No Brexit
- A referendum to allow people to choose between No Deal and No Brexit

For the last two to be an option, it would require Parliament to vote in favour of them - which won't happen. Even if there is an extension, we'll likely end up with no-deal and why would the EU grant an extension under those circumstances ?

EU could do a repeat of the March maneuver - a two week extension, if Parliament votes to hold a referendum in that time you can have another four months (or so). If not you're out with no deal. Brexit has taken two and a half years by now, another two weeks won't make that much of a difference.

McHrozni

 

[Francesca R]

Right I mean within a couple of months of Johnson winning

 

[McHrozni]

The problem is that the Conservatives and Brexit Party actively want a no-deal Brexit.

Jeremy Corbyn seems to prefer a no-deal Brexit to no Brexit - my guess is that he thinks he can negotiate a great deal after both the EU and UK have suffered the consequences of a no-deal Brexit

So while in a sane world they should do exactly what you say, Brexit seems to exert a bizarre influence over politicians and they seem mesmerised by 20% or so of the population.

There aren't that many ways left to go. A party conference, perhaps armed with reports of what no deal Brexit entails, can't make things worse. If it convinces enough Conservatives to act in their best interest it's a plus. If not it didn't do any harm either.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

EU could do a repeat of the March maneuver - two week extension, if Parliament votes to hold a referendum in that time you can have another four months (or so), if not you're out with no deal. Brexit has taken two and a half years by now, another two weeks won't make that much of a difference.

McHrozni

If the EU wants the UK to have a second referendum, and for that referendum to result in something other than a no-deal Brexit - that's exactly the wrong way to go about it IMO. It would absolutely be confirming what Brexiteers have been claiming, that currently the EU tells us what to do and and we reluctantly and cravenly comply.

It will be spun as the EU blackmailing the UK into a referendum we don't want.....

 

[The Don]

There aren't that many ways left to go. A party conference, perhaps armed with reports of what no deal Brexit entails, can't make things worse. If it convinces enough Conservatives to act in their best interest it's a plus. If not it didn't do any harm either.

McHrozni

If the reports of what a no deal Brexit entails are in any way accurate, they will be discounted by the Conservative and Brexit Parties, most of the UK press and a broad section of the broadcast media as being part of "Project Fear" and discounted as Remoaner fear-mongering.

 

[KDLarsen]

Denmark is quite good and Danish isn't too hard to learn. Plus they all speak English!

And the best way to describe the Danes: Germans with a sense of humour who finish work at 4:30pm

Re: the highlighted, it's true. Once you've mastered pronouncing 'rødgrød med fløde' without a hint of an accent, you're all set.

 

[McHrozni]

If the EU wants the UK to have a second referendum, and for that referendum to result in something other than a no-deal Brexit - that's exactly the wrong way to go about it IMO. It would absolutely be confirming what Brexiteers have been claiming, that currently the EU tells us what to do and and we reluctantly and cravenly comply.

It will be spun as the EU blackmailing the UK into a referendum we don't want.....

Aha.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

https://www.euronews.com/2019/03/23...-in-london-to-demand-second-brexit-referendum

The spin will be intently listned to by the entire 20% of the electorate that has lost their senses. The remaining 80% are a different matter. I'm sure enough Britons are sensible enough to realize UK wasn't forced into any referenda, if Parliament didn't opt to hold one the country could leave with no deal either on October 31st or November 14th. That wasn't the case six months ago perhaps, but situation has shifted in between.

Furthermore, if there is a second referendum and no deal Brexit wins, the result is still worth the process. It will tackle the British democratic deficit slightly, since the country will not leave the EU with no deal against the wishes of the electorate. This is a significant precendens for the future of British politics, it will make the post-Brexit resolution less ugly. There are upsides for the EU as well, the Union did everything, absolutely everything, to give UK a deal. It is in no way, shape or form to blame for the boat people asking for asylum it must now save from the treachrous English channel and North Sea.

Overall, no-deal Brexit winning in a referendum is still significantly prefferable to UK leaving with no deal just because it's the legal default and Parliament failed to pass anything else.

McHrozni

 

[Ian Osborne]

Re: the highlighted, it's true. Once you've mastered pronouncing 'rødgrød med fløde' without a hint of an accent, you're all set.

But it's cold in Denmark. And you might meet Klaus Larsen. On a plane.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Its official, even Brexit Party say it will be at least 30 years before we feel any benefit from Brexit.
so, should Brexiters be the first to lose their jobs and be put back of the NHS queue? It's what they voted for.

 

[Tolls]

Its official, even Brexit Party say it will be at least 30 years before we feel any benefit from Brexit.
so, should Brexiters be the first to lose their jobs and be put back of the NHS queue? It's what they voted for.

That's an improvement on Mogg's forecast I suppose.

 

[The Don]

That's an improvement on Mogg's forecast I suppose.

Not quite. Rees Mogg said it could be up to 50 years, the Brexit Party have apparently said it will be at least 30 years.

 

[Ian Osborne]

Its official, even Brexit Party say it will be at least 30 years before we feel any benefit from Brexit.
so, should Brexiters be the first to lose their jobs and be put back of the NHS queue? It's what they voted for.

A resounding YES! I hope bosses who have to downsize due to Brexit remember who voted for this mess, and take the appropriate action.

 

[Vixen]

Re: the highlighted, it's true. Once you've mastered pronouncing 'rødgrød med fløde' without a hint of an accent, you're all set.

I've been told it is an amazingly difficult language to learn as nothing is pronounced the way it is written (rather like English).

 

[Vixen]

Its official, even Brexit Party say it will be at least 30 years before we feel any benefit from Brexit.
so, should Brexiters be the first to lose their jobs and be put back of the NHS queue? It's what they voted for.

Good Lord, most of the Brexiteers will be dead and in their graves by then.

 

[Vixen]

Not quite. Rees Mogg said it could be up to 50 years, the Brexit Party have apparently said it will be at least 30 years.

Vote for me and I'll raise you 30 months.

 

[Greebo]

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Parliament goes into recess July 20th and doesn't reconvene until September 3rd.

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McHrozni

It's almost as if they are happy to sit back and do **** all about it. Que sera sera.

 

[Darat]

Re: the highlighted, it's true. Once you've mastered pronouncing 'rødgrød med fløde' without a hint of an accent, you're all set.

I found saying LEGO a lot was enough! I remember one trip to give a presentation to Mr LEGO, we'd flown in on one of the LEGO jets, a colleague had forgotten his passport and we got through Danish customs by proving we we were due to have a meeting with kel.

 

[Hellbound]

But it's cold in Denmark. And you might meet Klaus Larsen. On a plane.

But does he have eyelids? Maybe if his drumsticks were tied together it wouldn't be that bad...

 

[Puppycow]

UK slavery network 'had 400 victims'

Members of a gang behind the biggest modern-day slavery network ever exposed in the UK have been jailed.
Police believe more than 400 victims were put to work in the West Midlands by the organised crime gang.
They tricked vulnerable people from Poland into England with the promise of work and a better life.
But their victims were made to live in rat-infested houses and work menial jobs, it can now be reported after reporting restrictions were lifted.
Eight offenders, who police say are members and associates of two Polish crime families, have been jailed after being convicted in two separate trials of crimes including trafficking, conspiracy to require another to perform forced labour and money laundering.

As both the victims and the perpetrators appear to be Polish, I'd say this is more of an EU story (of which Britain is still technically a member).

Who thought that freedom of movement within the EU might lead to slavery?