Mueller Investigation pt 6

[KDLarsen]

Elsewhere, Grossly Inappropriate Larry Klayman has formed a citizens grand jury to go after Robert Mueller (and Nancy Pelosi and Ilhan Omar for some other reason).

Here's their "indictment": https://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/190625-Indictment .pdf

 

[Elagabalus]

But hasn't he already sort of said that?

I mean the dude's already straight up said with pretty much zero ambiguity "My report is my testimony."

I'm not sure what juice we're still expecting to get from this particular apple.

An apple juice infomercial!! Think about it! We're throwing in a full set of ginsu knives AND a hand hammered wok! Now how much would you expect to pay?!

 

[PhantomWolf]

For those that can't be bothered to read the Mueller Report this is a pretty well done and succinct breakdown of it. Done by PBS, from what I can tell it is pretty much the facts without any opinion and it is direct to the report and what it actually says. Also it's less than 30 mins.

 

[smartcooky]

Elsewhere, Grossly Inappropriate Larry Klayman has formed a citizens grand jury to go after Robert Mueller (and Nancy Pelosi and Ilhan Omar for some other reason).

Here's their "indictment": https://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/190625-Indictment .pdf

Signed by Michael Greer of the American Freedom Alliance

Now there's a bunch of right-wing creationist whack-jobs if I ever saw one, anti-climate science, anti-evolution and Islamophobic.

Fortunately, Citizens Grand Juries are not-actionable and no longer carry any real legal weight - they are just an avenue for loonies to vent their spleens!

 

[Craig4]

Signed by Michael Greer of the American Freedom Alliance

Now there's a bunch of right-wing creationist whack-jobs if I ever saw one, anti-climate science, anti-evolution and Islamophobic.

Fortunately, Citizens Grand Juries are not-actionable and no longer carry any real legal weight - they are just an avenue for loonies to vent their spleens!

You left off anti-American.

 

[Drysdale]

Careful what you wish for.

 

[smartcooky]

You left off anti-American.

Apologies!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I hope someone asks him if he had actually reached the end of his investigation or if Barr told him to shut it down. If his answer is

He had reached the end = Barr did not shut it down.
He was shut down by Barr = Barr shut it down
He decline to answer = Barr shut it down

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Just ask him if Barr asked him not to talk about certain topics and issues.

 

[Stacyhs]

That's "history", is it? Who wrote it?

BS, watch the video and then tell me you can't can't see that he was visibly nervous and embarrassed as he parroted what he knew were bare-faced lies emanating from crooks the neocons had embedded in the intelligence services.

I love it when people think they're body language experts and can tell us exactly what someone else was thinking and feeling.

Mueller was "sucked in" by the phony intel about Saddam's WMD, had no way of fact-checking/verifying, exercising 'due diligence', of knowing any better than the average pundit, despite his senior position in the FBI and the privileged access it gave him. Yeh, I can see how someone naive enough (or dishonest enough) might say that.

Mueller headed the FBI , not the CIA. The FBI is concerned with internal US security matters; the CIA handles foreign security matters. Iraq and whether it had WMD was not a matter under Mueller's investigation. Mueller received information supplied by Sec. of State Colin Powell and CIA Director Tenet.
This disparaging of Mueller is nothing more than an attempt to discredit the Mueller report by Trump supporters. It's blatantly obvious and dishonest.

 

[smartcooky]

I love it when people think they're body language experts and can tell us exactly what someone else was thinking and feeling.

Conspiracy theorists claim they are experts on everything.... the reality is they are mostly ignorant on all things

Mueller headed the FBI , not the CIA. The FBI is concerned with internal US security matters; the CIA handles foreign security matters. Iraq and whether it had WMD was not a matter under Mueller's investigation. Mueller received information supplied by Sec. of State Colin Powell and CIA Director Tenet.

You see Stacy, this is Conspiracy Theory 102: "The Alphabet Soup is to Blame for Everything". For the conspiracy theorist, the actual letters of the government agency don't matter, whether they are three letters or four letters, they are all "gubmint" and they are all "in cahoots"; they are in on it, whatever "it" is. This is why, when you ask a JFK conspiracy theorist which Government agency they think was ultimately responsible for the assassination, they will reply (after you explain to them what "ultimately" means) with a three or four letter Government agency, FBI, CIA, NSA, DOJ, DOD. I've even had one try to tell me that it was the DHS....

This disparaging of Mueller is nothing more than an attempt to discredit the Mueller report by Trump supporters. It's blatantly obvious and dishonest.

Agree. Its very much a case of shooting the messenger because they don't like the message. And its dishonest, just like their Dear Leader

 

[applecorped]

12th time's the charm

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I would consider Mueller should have known the WMD was a fabricated story, hell I knew. But then I look at Colin Powell and I think he truly was angry at being lied to before he gave his infamous speech. These guys live is bubbles so it's possible Mueller was in on it, but it's more likely he didn't believe they (Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld) would lie to him, same as Powell thought.

I'm still on the fence on whether Mueller will talk or not. He's had time to think about things since he said, 'here's my report, no questions'. Barr misrepresented the report, he quashed 7 investigations Mueller obviously thought needed investigating, this is his chance at redemption.

 

[Stacyhs]

I would consider Mueller should have known the WMD was a fabricated story, hell I knew. But then I look at Colin Powell and I think he truly was angry at being lied to before he gave his infamous speech. These guys live is bubbles so it's possible Mueller was in on it, but it's more likely he didn't believe they (Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld) would lie to him, same as Powell thought.

I'm still on the fence on whether Mueller will talk or not. He's had time to think about things since he said, 'here's my report, no questions'. Barr misrepresented the report, he quashed 7 investigations Mueller obviously thought needed investigating, this is his chance at redemption.

But why should have Mueller known about it? Did the FBI conduct its own investigation of WMD in Iraq? Not that I'm aware of. That was the job of the CIA. Plus, many countries believe Iraq had WMDs:

Other nations' intelligence services were similarly aligned with U.S. views. Somewhat remarkably, given how adamantly Germany would oppose the war, the German Federal Intelligence Service held the bleakest view of all, arguing that Iraq might be able to build a nuclear weapon within three years. Israel, Russia, Britain, China, and even France held positions similar to that of the United States; France's President Jacques Chirac told Time magazine last February, "There is a problem—the probable possession of weapons of mass destruction by an uncontrollable country, Iraq. The international community is right ... in having decided Iraq should be disarmed." In sum, no one doubted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/01/spies-lies-and-weapons-what-went-wrong/302878/

 

[a_unique_person]

I would consider Mueller should have known the WMD was a fabricated story, hell I knew. But then I look at Colin Powell and I think he truly was angry at being lied to before he gave his infamous speech. These guys live is bubbles so it's possible Mueller was in on it, but it's more likely he didn't believe they (Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld) would lie to him, same as Powell thought.

I'm still on the fence on whether Mueller will talk or not. He's had time to think about things since he said, 'here's my report, no questions'. Barr misrepresented the report, he quashed 7 investigations Mueller obviously thought needed investigating, this is his chance at redemption.

If they are going to have Mueller the to answer questions on Russiagate, why not take some time to ask him about WMD while he is there?

 

[Stacyhs]

If they are going to have Mueller the to answer questions on Russiagate, why not take some time to ask him about WMD while he is there?

Because it has nothing to do with why he is there.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

But why should have Mueller known about it? Did the FBI conduct its own investigation of WMD in Iraq? Not that I'm aware of. That was the job of the CIA. Plus, many countries believe Iraq had WMDs:


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/01/spies-lies-and-weapons-what-went-wrong/302878/

Why should I have known, I'm only a citizen.

After 911 the FBI and CIA were supposed to work together more often. He was the director. I said he should have but I understand how it is possible he didn't.

I'm not sure that Atlantic article is straight forward. The Downing St Memo was clear evidence the UK PM Blair knew the evidence was faked.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If they are going to have Mueller the to answer questions on Russiagate, why not take some time to ask him about WMD while he is there?

Because it's a waste of time.

 

[theprestige]

Holy ******

This thread is still getting posts?

I thought the investigation was over.

 

[eerok]

Holy ******

This thread is still getting posts?

I thought the investigation was over.

Do you think the Mueller investigation is over (with all that entails) or do you hope it's over? (This is a skill-testing question.)