America transitions into Gilead

[Roger Ramjets]

Are you not capable of even a cursory look into history so as to derive some inkling of what lesson might be gleaned therefrom and applied today? Even if the chances of an echoing repetition may not be likely?

Those who cannot remember...

To take just one example. We can look to Tricky Dick's antics and see all the more clearly the playbook by which Trump is operating today, and predict the next moves.

But but but, Trump is the greatest president since Lincoln!

 

[Ladewig]

When the police catch a contract killer they almost always are willing to cut a deal if the killer will testify against the person who paid for the murder.

If abortion is to be treated like murdder, and
If the opening statement is true

Then shouldn't the current round of anti-abortion laws have prison time for people who pay for abortions?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Alabama woman indicted for Manslaughter after she miscarries following being shot in the stomach.

An Alabama woman has been charged with manslaughter in connection to a shooting where her unborn child was killed.

The indictment for 27-year-old Marshae Jones was handed down Wednesday by a grand jury following the December 2018 shooting outside of a Dollar General in Pleasant Grove, Alabama.

According to AL.com, Jones was taken into custody in Jefferson County on Wednesday and is being held on a $50,000 bond.

The altercation between Jones and the alleged shooter, 23-year-old Ebony Jemison, was reportedly related to the father of Jones' unborn child, the Washington Post said. At the time, Jones was five months pregnant.

https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-wo...ng-shot-stomach-suffering-miscarriage-1446198

 

[Roboramma]

Okay. That's seriously crazy.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Okay. That's seriously crazy.

Oh no, apparently not. I'm doing told it makes perfect sense in another thread right now.

 

[Babbylonian]

Alabama? The state that recently approved church police forces? Shocking!

 

[theprestige]

Oh no, apparently not. I'm doing told it makes perfect sense in another thread right now.

Dishonest.

In that other thread you're being told that it might make sense, depending on information we don't have yet.

Why are you lying about this?

 

[Ziggurat]

Alabama? The state that recently approved church police forces? Shocking!

What's the difference between a church having a police force and a university having a police force?

 

[The Greater Fool]

What's the difference between a church having a police force and a university having a police force?

Giving a religion police (government) powers is a violation of establishment of religion clause;
Giving an educational institution such powers is not.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Dishonest.

Ironic.

 

[JoeMorgue]

What's the difference between a church having a police force and a university having a police force?

Nothing. University shouldn't have police forces either.

 

[theprestige]

Ironic.

And yet not untrue.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Dishonest.

In that other thread you're being told that it might make sense, depending on information we don't have yet.

Why are you lying about this?

Oh I'm sorry I misspoke.

We're "having a civil discussion about" whether or not it's absolutely insane to charge a pregnant woman with miscarriage after someone else shoots her.

Next we'll "have a civil discussion" about whether or not killing someone and wearing their face like a mask to their children's birthday party is appropriate behavior.

 

[Ziggurat]

Giving a religion police (government) powers is a violation of establishment of religion clause;
Giving an educational institution such powers is not.

Seems like refusing to allow a religious organization to do what non-religious organizations get to do is discrimination against religion.

Nothing. University shouldn't have police forces either.

That's a consistent and defensible position, and I might even agree with it. But it's unlikely to win the day.

 

[The Greater Fool]

Seems like refusing to allow a religious organization to do what non-religious organizations get to do is discrimination against religion.

The issue is addressed specifically in the constitution, which is why we have the concept of church/state separation. Granting police powers to religion violates that separation.

 

[Babbylonian]

What's the difference between a church having a police force and a university having a police force?

Besides the church/state issue (which is a monstrously huge problem), universities with police forces tend to have at least hundreds if not thousands of students living on their property.

While I'm in agreement that universities shouldn't have police forces either, at least they have what could reasonably be called a "population." Churches don't. Also, they're ******* churches and shouldn't be permitted to be involved in law enforcement.

 

[theprestige]

Misquoted.

 

[dudalb]

Nothing. University shouldn't have police forces either.

Aggreed, though a lot of university police forces are really rent a cops without any real police powers,no different then the rent a cops you see at every shopping mall.

 

[dudalb]

I think it's clear that couple of the die hard GOPers here have no problem living in a oppressive theocracy so long as they get their damn tax cuts.

 

[Ziggurat]

Besides the church/state issue (which is a monstrously huge problem), universities with police forces tend to have at least hundreds if not thousands of students living on their property.

The church in question runs a seminary, maybe they do have student living on campus. Certainly there are churches which do.