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The Don said:
I'll be delighted and will readily admit that I was completely wrong about Brexit. Of course it depends on how you define success. At the moment, it seems that those who are keen on Brexit are setting the bar pretty low - a lack of complete economic collapse and an absence of bread riots will likely be proclaimed a success.
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I'll define 'success' as an economy that grows faster than the EU, and an extra £350m for the NHS. I doubt we'll get either, but yes, if we do, I'll admit I was wrong too.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Because Westminster will make sure they don't get it.
How would they get to keep it anyway? They won't have a navy.
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I see where you're coming from, but Westminster might find it impossible due to established international law. I don't know if there's a definite recognised way of dividing up the waters, but it seems unlikely Britain/England could just take it all for itself when so much of it is clearly Scottish.
 
You think Boris and those that support him and fill Parliament are going to care?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
You think Boris and those that support him and fill Parliament are going to care?
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Probably not, but maybe we'll have enough on our hands without turning ourselves into a pariah by ignoring international law too. Either way, we'd be heading for an extreme mess. But then, I guess we are already.

Incidentally, I just heard Radio 5 Live interviewing a Jeremy Cu... sorry, Hunt supporter. Whether a no-deal Brexit would get through parliament was debated at length. Neither the presenter nor the interviewee seemed aware that a no-deal Brexit is now the default position, and it doesn't need to get through parliament.
 
Ian Osborne said:
I see where you're coming from, but Westminster might find it impossible due to established international law. I don't know if there's a definite recognised way of dividing up the waters, but it seems unlikely Britain/England could just take it all for itself when so much of it is clearly Scottish.
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Don't worry, there is. The new sea border is the equidistant line from nearest piece of land at low tide. Ditto for exclusive economic zone.

Exceptions are allowed in some circumstances, such as Scotland having their own independent sea police force that would oversee a smaller (or greater) portion of the sea, but that's pretty much it. If there is no independent Scotish sea police force this doesn't apply and Scotland gets their portion of the sea.

Short of ordering an invasion of Scotland there is little Westminster could do to obtain that oil for England.

McHrozni
 
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Why invade? Scotland won't have a navy to enforce anything, or for that matter an army to fight an invasion.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Why invade? Scotland won't have a navy to enforce anything, or for that matter an army to fight an invasion.
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The Lisbon treaty is more than just article 50. There's a conveniently named article 42 too.

In either event I really, really (really, really, really) don't see a scenario in which such a turn of events wouldn't cost Little England a thousand times more than it could hope to gain.

McHrozni
 
The Don said:
I'll be delighted and will readily admit that I was completely wrong about Brexit. Of course it depends on how you define success. At the moment, it seems that those who are keen on Brexit are setting the bar pretty low - a lack of complete economic collapse and an absence of bread riots will likely be proclaimed a success.
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And of course any failures will be blamed on the EU, if they can make this stick it could be a good way of consolidating power and moving into more emergency based administrations you see in dictatorships. A perpetual emergency is really useful for consolidating power after all.

I think that is exceedingly unlikely but we have president Trump so I have given up on making predictions.
 
McHrozni said:
The Lisbon treaty is more than just article 50. There's a conveniently named article 42 too.

In either event I really, really (really, really, really) don't see a scenario in which such a turn of events wouldn't cost Little England a thousand times more than it could hope to gain.

McHrozni
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Scotland will not be treated in a fair manner if they decide to leave the UK.

Look at the mess over the Brexit. Can you imagine trying to disentangle England and Scotland?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Scotland will not be treated in a fair manner if they decide to leave the UK.

Look at the mess over the Brexit. Can you imagine trying to disentangle England and Scotland?
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True, but then it depends on who will be fighting Scotland's corner. As a standalone small country then there is a significant risk that England* will try to make Scotland pay and the process of redress via international law will be a slow one**.

As the newest member of the EU, that could be an entirely different prospect and England could find itself on the back foot.


* - deliberate choice due to the fact that it will be English politicians driving the process from the rUK's side
** - then again, the UK doesn't have many friends, so a ruling from an international court could be quick and not what the UK wants at all
 
More no deal warnings - it's not certain they May's deal would have been sufficient either.

Vauxhall Astra: Ellesmere Port manufacture 'depends on Brexit'

The next generation of the Vauxhall Astra will be built at its Ellesmere Port car plant if a satisfactory Brexit deal is reached, its owners have said.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48790657

However, PSA Group has made it clear the decision to build the car in the UK will depend on the terms of the UK's future trading relationship with the EU.

Sources say the minimum the company is looking for is a commitment to frictionless trade after Brexit, and no-deal is not an option.

Vauxhall has previously said it faces falling sales and relatively high manufacturing costs at the Ellesmere Port plant, which employs about 1,100 people.

A Unite union spokesman, said: "PSA have made it very clear that no deal means no deal for Ellesmere Port.
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Garrison said:
The cracks are really starting to show now, it seems the entire UK car industry is hanging on by its fingertips.
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Any firm that leaves are traitors that simply don't deserve to do business in the sunny uplands of a post Brexit Britain :rolleyes:
 
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