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Ed 737 Max Crashes (was Shutdown caused Boeing crash.)

ponderingturtle said:
Oh yes, it is too big to fail. Even the airlines wouldn't want it to fail then Airbus would be the only manufacturer in the world.
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And nobody has apparently sufficient manufacturing capacity to replace Boeing. Not even to replace 737 orders. (Airbus is IIRC already at maximum capacity)
 
Prediction. Long term the American airline industry will be hit harder by this then Boeing.
 
Also the 737 overall, outside of the MAX variant is still massively popular.

The 737 MAX series has only produced about 400 airframes. The 737 Next Generation Series is still in active production and sits at almost 7,000 airframes and the overall 737 series as a whole is well over 10,000 airframes produced.

Losing the 737 series entirely... yeah Boeing might not have survived in any recognizable form as a civilian aircraft manufacturer in anything resembling it's current corporate structure if that had happened, but it can survive the 737 MAX getting grounded.
 
Given the information that has come out as to Boeing's decisions during development of the 737 Max: might there be criminal charges against one or more of the individuals involved?
 
Giordano said:
Given the information that has come out as to Boeing's decisions during development of the 737 Max: might there be criminal charges against one or more of the individuals involved?
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I'd be really, really shocked if that happened.
 
Giordano said:
Given the information that has come out as to Boeing's decisions during development of the 737 Max: might there be criminal charges against one or more of the individuals involved?
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Probably but it isn't going to. Holding individuals accountable is not something that is big in the justice department after all. They will just fine the company a token fee and that will be that.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
British Airways announced they are ordering a couple of hundred 737 Max aircraft.
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Err, I would be cautious about believing this...

https://viewfromthewing.boardingare...airways-boeing-737-max-order-announced-today/

"These aren’t real orders. There’s a “letter of intent” which doesn’t obligate IAG [BA's parent company] to much. There’s not even a firm outline of how many MAX 8s versus MAX 10s the order is supposed to be. There’s no announced plan for which airlines get how many of the aircraft (although low cost carrier LEVEL, and Aer Lingus, using these transatlantic makes some sense). The order could ultimately turn out to be real, because pricing is so good, but it could just as easily be a mirage."
 
Boeing will pay the most. It will interesting to see what the insurance covers. The airlines will not be paying for what hasn't been delivered but they will be missing out on income and will be looking to Boeing for reimbursement.
 
Klimax said:
And nobody has apparently sufficient manufacturing capacity to replace Boeing. Not even to replace 737 orders. (Airbus is IIRC already at maximum capacity)
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To an extent this can be fixed by investing into new capacity. Perhaps Airbus could buy a mothballed factory for similar-sized airliners that used to produce, say 737 MAX (chosed randomly of course ;) ), and refit it for A320 Neo instead.

But it wouldn't be good in the long run, not just for the US.

McHrozni
 
Yeah it's... weird to say this from a business sense but Airbus might not be "Oh yay, our only competitor is having issues that's a total win for us!" as much as you'd think.

Business, especially duopolies like Boeing and Airbus, are complicated sometimes.
 
Trebuchet said:
And the duopoly has lately gotten even more so, with Airbus taking over the Bombardier C-series, and Boeing taking over at least the marketing for Embraer.
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Like I'm trying to image who could even fill the gap theoretically.

Like here in the states we still have some major players in the smaller jet and military aircraft businesses; Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Gulfstream... but the bulk of what they build are no bigger then fighters or business jets and the odd "Big plane" they make (like the B-2 Bomber) isn't exactly something you could convert the tech/design into a passenger plane.

I guess Lockheed could maybe crap out a passenger jet loosely based on one of their military transport designs (They tried to sell the L-500, a 1,000 passenger version of the C-5 Galaxy Heavy Transport, to airlines in the late 70s but nobody would bite) and they have had very, very limited success (114 airframes sold) of a civilian version of the venerable old C-130 Hercules.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah it's... weird to say this from a business sense but Airbus might not be "Oh yay, our only competitor is having issues that's a total win for us!" as much as you'd think.

Business, especially duopolies like Boeing and Airbus, are complicated sometimes.
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And it's not just the duopoly aspect. Customers don't track airplane models closely. If Boeing planes have a safety risk, that reflects badly on the industry as a whole, which may lead to reduced ticket sales. And if the industry as a whole suffers, that can hurt Airbus too with reduced orders. Airbus isn't going to celebrate that even if Boeing suffers more.
 
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