Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

[NWO Sentryman]

What is your evidence for what these refugees think?

The "no one is illegal on stolen land" rhetoric that they like to bandy about, that they view the United States as fundamentally illegitimate?

 

[Belz...]

It's the same group that rush to defend cops that shoot nonviolent black kids, but were outraged when cops went after Cliven Bundy and his actual violent gang. They are white supremacists. Been telling you that for years.

Sorry, you're acting as if you've just demonstrated your claim via my post. You haven't. I'm talking about an anti-immigrant policy (which is not the same thing as white supremacism) that's gone way too far, and even its opponents seem unwilling to do the right thing.

 

[Belz...]

Not hating or fearing other people because they are different is a good thing. "Diversity" just comes along with that.

I think NWO's specific point here -- and I don't think I agree with his larger point -- is that it's hard for a society to pull together when they can't agree on basic cultural norms and such. Maybe that opinion comes from racism, but is it false?

So why did the Soviet union, one of the most multicultural nations to ever exist, fall apart? Why did Libya implode into civil war?

Assuming multicultural nations fared better than monocultural ones, it still wouldn't follow that they NEVER collapse or experience major problems. Your question is irrelevant to the claim.

Really? given the screaming of "AmeriKKKA is stolen land!" betrays an irredentism that has no good precedents.

Where? Who says this? Do you have numbers to back up your claim?

 

[Belz...]

I will PM you my address.

I'll be waiting.

You have a machine that allows you to see into alternate realities?

Sign me up for a test drive.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

You have a machine that allows you to see into alternate realities?

Sign me up for a test drive.

I don't need one, since I know what my reaction to hundreds of thousands of Canadians storming the Montana border would be and it wouldn't be any different from my reaction to hundreds of thousands of Central Americans doing the same in the southwest.

 

[uke2se]

I don't need one, since I know what my reaction to hundreds of thousands of Canadians storming the Montana border would be and it wouldn't be any different from my reaction to hundreds of thousands of Central Americans doing the same in the southwest.

Ok, what would your reaction be to hundreds of thousands of Canadians - mainly families and including many unaccompanied minors - fleeing violence in Canada, looking for a haven in the US?

 

[Upchurch]

The "no one is illegal on stolen land" rhetoric that they like to bandy about, that they view the United States as fundamentally illegitimate?

Who is they and evidence of the bandying?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Remember when "I'm just gonna straight up lie, make up facts, ignore evidence, and literally never back down or change from that" had to at least be done a little apologetically?

 

[Armitage72]

What is your evidence for what these refugees think?

I keep seeing the word "most" with no actual evidence of numbers. I could just as easily argue that most Americans believe the space program is a hoax and that rockets don't work in a vacuum.

 

[varwoche]

Coming to America illegally is an "egregious violation of the law hence said inceration.

An "egregious violation" upon which the US economy depends.

 

[varwoche]

The "no one is illegal on stolen land" rhetoric that they like to bandy about, that they view the United States as fundamentally illegitimate?

"They"? Who is this they you speak of?

I have no doubt there are a few random bozos on the internet who hold these positions. My confidence is based on the fact there are random bozos on the internet who hold virtually every imaginable position. But for your disjointed, stream-of-thought, fact-challenged rant to make one whit of sense, there needs to be more than random bozos. A lot more. And even that wouldn't justify abusing children.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I have no doubt there are a few random bozos on the internet who hold these positions. My confidence is based on the fact there are random bozos on the internet who hold virtually every imaginable position.

This is why I've always thought for the people who have basically adopted tribalism as their new religion this is what's most important; not having a tribe to belong to but always being able to find an extreme position that you want to blame on the other side.

It's a weird dynamic that requires the internet to exist.

Imagine something that would make you upset, an opinion that if someone held would make your blood boil. Okay you can probably find someone with this opinion, or something close enough, with a 5 minute google search. And since nobody is neutral anymore this person is going to "belong" to either the left or the right, and therefore counts as point for or against whoever you want to be mad at.

 

[carlitos]

Who is they and evidence of the bandying?

No kidding. NWO Sentryman, any minute now, will be providing evidence that "most Mexican immigrants" are involved in the reconquista movement.

You’re writing fiction again.

I don’t suppose you care to support your claim about most Mexicans with any kind of evidence?

The wikipedia article about reconquista. The whole "nobody is illegal on stolen land!" Talking point which is "the us is a fundamentally illegitimate institution!", both of which paint very ugly outcomes.

The wikipedia article in reconquista. The freaking wikipedia article? Are you doing a parody, or are you really this bad at internet discussion / debate?

Your claim:

Most Mexican immigrants scream about how America is the great satan and how it is inherently stolen land, in a manner reminiscent of the German Slavic tensions in 1914.

Would you care to provide evidence that "most Mexican immigrants" "scream about" "how America is the great satan" and how it is inherently stolen land, yada yada.

Didn't you used to participate in the 9/11 debates here? What would you say to a truther who told you that "the wikipedia article" was evidence for their claim?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Inequality has grown to gilded age extents, numerous species are going extinct, America is losing ground compared to the rest of the world, it's infrastructure is crumbling, it is facing a pension time bomb, it is becoming more divided and fractured.

But the tax cuts for the job creators make all that worthwhile of course. Got to keep things in perspective after all.

 

[Armitage72]

"They"? Who is this they you speak of?

The speaker of the Chechen parliament threatened to arm Mexico against the US and questioned the legitimacy of several US states back in 2015. That's major international recognition, right? Right?

 

[theprestige]

Why do you keep telling that lie?

Not a lie.

 

[Upchurch]

Not a lie.

Only if words don't have definitions and meaning, it's not.

Which, in the Trumpverse, I suppose they don't.

 

[theprestige]

Only if words don't have definitions and meaning, it's not.

Words have definitions and meanings, but those often vary with context. In some contexts, "bad" actually means "good", for example.

For two generations, "concentration camp" has been used to connote certain meanings which do not apply to these detention centers. If your goal is to avoid those connotations, then you should choose a different term for these detention centers.

My theory is that the goal is actually to have exactly those connotations, even though they don't actually apply in this case. This theory is based in part on your efforts to push a false equivalence between America 2019 and Germany 1936.

Which, in the Trumpverse, I suppose they don't.

This is entirely uncalled-for.

I say they're not concentration camps, because that term has strong connotations in our culture, that don't actually apply here. Calling them such is effectively the same "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" dishonesty behind the CT practice of JAQ-ing off.

 

[wareyin]

Words have definitions and meanings, but those often vary with context. In some contexts, "bad" actually means "good", for example.

For two generations, "concentration camp" has been used to connote certain meanings which do not apply to these detention centers. If your goal is to avoid those connotations, then you should choose a different term for these detention centers.

My theory is that the goal is actually to have exactly those connotations, even though they don't actually apply in this case. This theory is based in part on your efforts to push a false equivalence between America 2019 and Germany 1936.


This is entirely uncalled-for.

I say they're not concentration camps, because that term has strong connotations in our culture, that don't actually apply here. Calling them such is effectively the same "I'm not saying, I'm just saying" dishonesty behind the CT practice of JAQ-ing off.

concentration camp

noun
a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc., especially any of the camps established by the Nazis prior to and during World War II for the confinement and persecution of prisoners.


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[plague311]

concentration camp

noun
a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc., especially any of the camps established by the Nazis prior to and during World War II for the confinement and persecution of prisoners.


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Yeah, but what you're missing is that theprestige isn't denying that they're concentration camps in the literal sense of the word. He's saying that they're more of a "positive" concentration camp. You know, the ones in Germany were terrible, and people died. The ones in the United States are only miserable, and, while people still die (children mostly) it's not ON PURPOSE like with the German concentration camps. So, you know. You're right, but stop being so negative about it. Look at the bright side. /sarcasm