Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

[Lurch]

So what am I to make of the posts that scream Trumpenfuhrer despite him copying his policies from Australia, which had been implementing them since the John Howard Administration?

More whataboutism. This is the US Politics Forum. This thread is about the Trump Admin's policies. What other nation's governments do that may be unethical or illegal is not germane. Focus.

And in any event, another's same bad act does not absolve one. Universal standards of behavior can be invoked for each actor in isolation. Knock 'em down and fix matters one at a time.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Judge: "You stand accused of murder. How do you plead?"
Defendant: "I refuse to put in a plea until we talk about all other murders that have ever happened."

 

[Mumbles]

Every single person involved in these monstrous acts, from the President down, should be removed and prosecuted. Anyone defending these actions should be ashamed of themselves. When did anyone become in favour of torturing children?

It's the same group that rush to defend cops that shoot nonviolent black kids, but were outraged when cops went after Cliven Bundy and his actual violent gang. They are white supremacists. Been telling you that for years.

 

[Lurch]

And as I have tried to point out, trying to view this in a vacuum is not helping to find a proper solution. All across the world, there has been growing political unrest over the issue of immigration, and it's only going to get worse as Climate change ramps up. This has not been helped by the liberal narrative that every refugee is a Rocket Surgeon that is far better than the citizens of the country they are heading to come crashing down.

Which demographic, I wonder, constitutes the bulk of those fearing immigration of brown folk? Could it be mostly older whites, exerting a last gasp effort to keep their privelege? After that generation dies out, might this phase largely pass from the scene, becoming a less consequential piss-pot of malcontents.

 

[Elagabalus]

More whataboutism. This is the US Politics Forum. This thread is about the Trump Admin's policies. What other nation's governments do that may be unethical or illegal is not germane. Focus.

And in any event, another's same bad act does not absolve one. Universal standards of behavior can be invoked for each actor in isolation. Knock 'em down and fix matters one at a time.

IIRC, the poster's main theme in any debate isn't so much of an approval of the current administration as much as it is a scathing rebuke of the world which has never gotten its act together which just proves that it never will.


I will allow that I could be wrong in that assessment. YMMV.

 

[JoeMorgue]

IIRC, the poster's main theme in any debate isn't so much of an approval of the current administration as much as it is a scathing rebuke of world which has never gotten its act together which just proves that it never will.

We have several posters who will occasionally get on these kicks where the world needs to suffer for the sin of not being as good as they think it should be and pain and misery subjected on others (others, never them odd how that works) is just the price it needs to pay to learn its lesson.

Even if we take these people at face value (which I don't), they need to get over it.

 

[Lurch]

My point is, Trump is part of a bigger issue, that we are going back to Every Man For Himself Politics, and it's going to get a LOT worse.

Are you already resigned to this? (If so, are you trying to inspire all others to give up hope?)

Or do you desire this?

 

[Craig4]

Make up your minds, please. The first Nazi death camps were instituted around 1941. Concentration camps were in existence in 1936. If you're claiming these are concentration camps, don't fly into a tizzy when someone suggests you are drawing similarities to Germany in 1936.

And you have some doubt that the death camps weren't envisioned by 1936?

 

[Craig4]

So what am I to make of the posts that scream Trumpenfuhrer despite him copying his policies from Australia, which had been implementing them since the John Howard Administration?

Maybe if the stupid bitch you're so enamored of hadn't called the Nazis in Virginia "very fine people" he wouldn't get called Trumpenfuhrer. Be that as it may no one has suggested his concentration camps are death camps.

 

[I Am The Scum]

I think NWO Sentryman is a prepper. And, as preppers are wont to do, he is allowing his pet doomsday theory to override his normal faculties and consume his psyche.

 

[Craig4]

Since this board insists that Everything was Hunky Dory on the Unstoppable March to progress until Evil Evil Drumpfler came along and started firing up the Crematoria, I just wanted to show that it was not the case. The Liberal Consensus is more of an historical aberration than anything else. Modi was elected before Trump, The Tories won in 2015 by moving right to chase UKIP Voters which led to Brexit, Duterte was elected in the Philippines. Trump is just the tipping point for a decaying and crumbling system. Liberalism is bleeding out, how do you intend to staunch that?

We can't fix everything. We can redeem the treason that was the election of Trump by an unpatriotic and disloyal minority.

 

[Minoosh]

Which demographic, I wonder, constitutes the bulk of those fearing immigration of brown folk? Could it be mostly older whites, exerting a last gasp effort to keep their privelege? After that generation dies out, might this phase largely pass from the scene, becoming a less consequential piss-pot of malcontents.

Most of the older white folks I know can't stand Trump and vehemently oppose his border policies, but there may be some self-selection bias going on there.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Progress is like the stock market: how far and fast it advances depends on the level of support and resistance.

 

[Elagabalus]

And you have some doubt that the death camps weren't envisioned by 1936?

They had some before that.

Shark Island Concentration Camp or "Death Island" (Konzentrationslager auf der Haifischinsel vor Lüderitzbucht)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Island_Concentration_Camp *



*Although, not IN Germany proper. Just to head off some more pedantic puffery from the usual suspects. Not you, of course.

 

[Elagabalus]

I think NWO Sentryman is a prepper. And, as preppers are wont to do, he is allowing his pet doomsday theory to override his normal faculties and consume his psyche.

Ah ...that explains a lot. Thanks.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Which demographic, I wonder, constitutes the bulk of those fearing immigration of brown folk? Could it be mostly older whites, exerting a last gasp effort to keep their privelege? After that generation dies out, might this phase largely pass from the scene, becoming a less consequential piss-pot of malcontents.

Oh it's going to get worse much worse. As America gets more diverse it gets a lot more fractured. Most people on the left (and I mean the hard left) see America as the single most evil nation to ever exist, and will gladly join any "burn it all!" Movement. Hoping that demographics usher in a multicultural social democracy is naive when India, the Ussr, Brazil and Syria show that diversity and multiculturalism does not necessarily lead to everybody enjoying a variety of dinnerplates. As inequality gets worse and social stagnation continues, coupled with climate change.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You are wrong about what I have claimed. I have never claimed that a person who crossed illegally cannot petition for asylum, I simply stated that crossing illegally is illegal. Claiming asylum after crossing illegally doesn't retroactively change that crossing into a lawful act.

A misdemeanor and certainly many of the kids are not culpable.

After a certain point they can request release on bond. But that point is not before they have a credible fear determination and certainly not immediately upon saying "asylum!"

Now who's wrong about what I've claimed. Your last sentence is a straw man. The first one is BS. Are you an immigration lawyer? No. Did you cite a law that said no bond until "credible fear determination"? No

That's why I quoted the statute.

Which you misinterpreted.

Which "assertions" are those?

All these assertions about the law. This is like the same crap of the right wingers saying Clinton had to be prosecuted when that's not how the law works.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Oh it's going to get worse much worse. As America gets more diverse it gets a lot more fractured. Most people on the left (and I mean the hard left) see America as the single most evil nation to ever exist, and will gladly join any "burn it all!" Movement. Hoping that demographics usher in a multicultural social democracy is naive when India, Brazil and Syria show that diversity and multiculturalism does not necessarily lead to everybody enjoying a variety of dinnerplates.

You seem really scared of "other" people. If it weren't for the damage people like you are doing it would be worth pity.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

You seem really scared of "other" people. If it weren't for the damage people like you are doing it would be worth pity.

No it's an honest assessment of how ****** America is. Did the Ussr pull together as one in 1989 after it's inhabitants remember it's multicultural identity? Is India a vibrant technological hub of innovation? Did Syria not come together remembering their perspectives? Is the United kingdom a beacon of harmony? So what makes diversity a good thing?

When I see America I see a slowly decaying hollow giant that is past the point of no return, as it becomes more divided and fractured in the years to come.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The divide in US identity is not along ethnic lines - it is mostly an urban/rural and higher/lower education schism.