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The Trump Presidency 14

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theprestige said:
That's your complaint? Trump is continuing the status quo established by his predecessors?
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The point is that you're claiming Trump continuity of the status quo as a unique victory. It's silly, but expected, for a Trump supporter to find victories where there are none.
 
theprestige said:
The number of things matters a lot to a claim about the number of things. How did you determine the number of things?

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Your red fence analogy is terrible, by the way. Let's stick to how you counted the number of things.
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You've obviously done a lot of detailed research on this. What number of blatant lies have you counted?
 
theprestige said:
Who counted them? How did they decide which statements to evaluate? What rules did they apply in the evaluation? How did they control for sampling error, bias, etc.? How many other politicians have been evaluated with the same methodology and controls?
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You can't be serious. Denial is a powerful thing, son. Paying attention for a change might help to cure your ignorance. Sure, presidents in the past have lied to cover their ass or to sway public opinion, but there has never been a president so willing to lie about things that are quite obviously lies. Such as, for example, "I know more about ISIS than the generals do". He has the integrity of a used car salesman who will tell you absolutely anything to make the sale. The only people that don't recognize the lies are the gullible suckers that fall for them.....like you.

No president before Trump lied so extensively to earn the designation Con Artist.
 
theprestige said:
Tell you what: You point me to the document that lists all his lies, and I'll count them myself. If it's a reasonably well-formatted document, it shouldn't take more than a few minutes, even if the lies number in the tens of thousands.

That leaves us plenty of time to compare Trump's document to the documents produced for other recent presidents, and to discuss the methodology used to produce these documents.



Aw yeah rolleyes! Let's do this!
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OK, great! Let's get this thing started!

Here's a list to get you started. Now, either you demonstrate that you can find a comparable list of lies told by some other individual president (and we'll then take it from there), or concede that you are talking out of your ass.

Ready? Go!

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
 
thaiboxerken said:
The point is that you're claiming Trump continuity of the status quo as a unique victory.
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Pretty sure I didn't do that, but feel free to cite the post where I call Trump's Korea policy a unique anything.

That would be a pretty embarrassing post for me, since my entire argument is that Trump's Korea policy is not particularly unique.
 
theprestige said:
The number of things matters a lot to a claim about the number of things. How did you determine the number of things?

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Your red fence analogy is terrible, by the way. Let's stick to how you counted the number of things.
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First you explain why 2,000 vs 9,000 lies makes any bit of difference.

And, tell me why all the witnessed lies I personally watched Trump make don't matter so sayeth your Trump apologetics?

You have nothing but apologetics, nada.
 
theprestige said:
This seems circular. We know he's a con artist because we call him a con artist?
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we know he is a con artist because everyone who ever did business with him (or played golf with him) says he is.
Heck, he even brags about how he uses tricks to get investors.
 
Cabbage said:
OK, great! Let's get this thing started!

Here's a list to get you started. Now, either you demonstrate that you can find a comparable list of lies told by some other individual president (and we'll then take it from there), or concede that you are talking out of your ass.

Ready? Go!

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
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That's about 240 false statements involving Trump. Which Politifact helpfully publishes under the title "All False statements involving Donald Trump." Surprisingly low, even by my standards.

I guess we could try to track down Politifact's page for "All False statements involving Barack Obama", and examine their methodology and all that, but at a mere 240 it hardly seems worth the effort. Skeptic Ginger has a valid point, though: At a mere 240, the difference between 2,000 and 9,000 doesn't matter at all.

I'm glad we got this settled! The next time someone pops off about how Donald Trump has told more lies than any other president, I'll be like, "yeah, all two hundred and forty of them." And they'll be all like (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻. And then everyone in the restaurant will stand up and clap.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
First you explain why 2,000 vs 9,000 lies makes any bit of difference.

And, tell me why all the witnessed lies I personally watched Trump make don't matter so sayeth your Trump apologetics?

You have nothing but apologetics, nada.
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Unsupported claims by a partisan rando on the Internet seems like a terrible methodology for determining anything.
 
theprestige said:
This seems circular. We know he's a con artist because we call him a con artist?
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You've got that backwards. We call him a con artist because we know he's a con artist and that information comes from other sources than the assertion. So, no, not circular logic. Cabbage said that he "earned" the honorific. There is sufficient evidence, from his University(sic) to his charitable(sic) Foundation, to his bottled water, to his steaks, to his pronouncements on illegal voters, crowd sizes, support from people who don't support him, people he's seen in photographs with who he states he hasn't met, people in his administration who he has praised in detail and then claims no awareness of when the poop hits the fan, people he was "in the green room with" when he was 7000 miles away, NFL letters that don't exist.... and on and on and on.

He is a con artist because we have all those examples that have convinced us.
 
theprestige said:
That's about 240 false statements involving Trump. Which Politifact helpfully publishes under the title "All False statements involving Donald Trump." Surprisingly low, even by my standards.

I guess we could try to track down Politifact's page for "All False statements involving Barack Obama", and examine their methodology and all that, but at a mere 240 it hardly seems worth the effort. Skeptic Ginger has a valid point, though: At a mere 240, the difference between 2,000 and 9,000 doesn't matter at all.

I'm glad we got this settled! The next time someone pops off about how Donald Trump has told more lies than any other president, I'll be like, "yeah, all two hundred and forty of them." And they'll be all like (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻. And then everyone in the restaurant will stand up and clap.
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All the ones they have indexed, yes. Now you need to find a comparable list of 240 for Obama.

Put up or shut up, sweetheart.
 
theprestige said:
That's about 240 false statements involving Trump. Which Politifact helpfully publishes under the title "All False statements involving Donald Trump." Surprisingly low, even by my standards.

I guess we could try to track down Politifact's page for "All False statements involving Barack Obama", and examine their methodology and all that, but at a mere 240 it hardly seems worth the effort. Skeptic Ginger has a valid point, though: At a mere 240, the difference between 2,000 and 9,000 doesn't matter at all.

I'm glad we got this settled! The next time someone pops off about how Donald Trump has told more lies than any other president, I'll be like, "yeah, all two hundred and forty of them." And they'll be all like (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻. And then everyone in the restaurant will stand up and clap.
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Oh, and before you go off all cocked and loaded about how this is every lie Trump ever told, let me educate you some more. (It's funny how you're so damned pedantic about "Who's counting" or "What methodology" but you'll jump at the phrase "All False statements involving Donald Trump" without bothering to understand or comprehend what it means. Hilarious! Selective Critical Thinking)

Anyway, there's more! Those are the specific ones they have indexed under the heading "False". Here are some more lies that are missing from the list because they are under the heading "Pants on Fire!". LMFAO!!!

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/
 
theprestige said:
This seems circular. We know he's a con artist because we call him a con artist?
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:boggled:

Trump University
Multiple contractors never paid for their work
Caught using Trump Foundation funds for personal expenses, and claiming he's donating money to causes when in reality he is merely using other people's money from the foundation. And there were all those 'benefits' held at Mar-a-lago where Trump collected more money renting the facilities than he donated to the benefit,

I'm at a loss where you came up with these absurd Trump Apologetics, I guess imagining you actually have a case.
 
Cabbage said:
All the ones they have indexed, yes. Now you need to find a comparable list of 240 for Obama.



Put up or shut up, sweetheart.
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Why do I need to find the comparable list? I'm not the one making the claim. If you haven't made the comparison yourself, how do you know Trump's the bigger liar? If you have made the comparison, then where's the corresponding document?
 
theprestige said:
Why do I need to find the comparable list? I'm not the one making the claim. If you haven't made the comparison yourself, how do you know Trump's the bigger liar? If you have made the comparison, then where's the corresponding document?
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There isn't a comparable list to be found, so I'm not going to bother looking for it. Here's a list for Obama. It's quite a bit smaller than Trump's so I've demonstrated my claim:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/pants-fire/

and

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

There you go! I win!
 
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