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Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

I Am The Scum said:
Seeking asylum within the United States is not a crime. It's a right.
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This is true. It is also true, however, that the law mandates detention for asylum claimants. It is not optional. It is also true that many thousands of claimants have broken the law by crossing illegally into the United States prior to making their asylum claim. That is not a right. It is illegal and they get arrested for it and held in detention (as mandated) pending review of their claim.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
Know that if a group is apprehended by Border Patrol, they crossed illegally. This is a fact.
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You seriously wanna stick with this? Are you ready to completely eliminate the possibility that a border patrol agent might mistakenly apprehend someone who is legally authorized to be within the United States?
 
I Am The Scum said:
You seriously wanna stick with this? Are you ready to completely eliminate the possibility that a border patrol agent might mistakenly apprehend someone who is legally authorized to be within the United States?
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I am ready to completely eliminate the possibility that a group of 100+ migrants wandering the desert who surrender to a BPA and claim asylum is in the country lawfully.
 
Grizzly Adams said:
This is true. It is also true, however, that the law mandates detention for asylum claimants. It is not optional. It is also true that many thousands of claimants have broken the law by crossing illegally into the United States prior to making their asylum claim. That is not a right. It is illegal and they get arrested for it and held in detention (as mandated) pending review of their claim.
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You are wrong about crossing illegally, there is no such law that one crossing the border cannot ask for asylum if they did not come through an entry port.

If they are required to be detained, how is it they can apply for work visa after 150 days while their case is pending?

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While U.S. law provides arriving asylum seekers the right to be in the United States while their claim for protection is pending, the government has argued that it has the right to detain such individuals. Some courts have rejected this interpretation and held that asylum seekers meeting certain criteria have a right to a hearing over their detention if they have been held for at least six months. Several lawsuits have challenged the practice of detaining asylum applicants, including class-action suits that document the prolonged detention—sometimes lasting years—of individuals with credible fear awaiting adjudication of their claim for asylum.
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IOW this is unsettled law.

You are spouting legal opinions Trump has repeated. He's a demonstrably unreliable source.

Your assertions don't look reliable either.
 
The US is running consentration camps.

Innocent children are suffering in these consentration camps.

US citizens are happily giving their tax dollars to pay for these camps.

Seems like the whole "taxation is theft" thing doesn't really bother you much at all.

Funny how that works. The US really is the worst country on the planet. You suck so much.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Ok but these so-called concentration camps are not extermination camps. They are in place to protect Americans from the child traffickers, murderers, and other criminals flooding our borders. I can't think of anything else that can be done to protect us.
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I had no idea toddlers were this dangerous.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Well, are you saying that there are no illegals who are child traffickers? Seeing a toddler holding the hand of an unrelated adult is a good bit of evidence that there are indeed child traffickers who are crossing our borders with the intent of selling these kids to perverts.
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Nonsense. Pure, unadulterated nonsense. I am often around and interacting with children I'm not related to. Does that mean I'm a child trafficker?
 
Lambchops said:
The US is running consentration camps.

Innocent children are suffering in these consentration camps.

US citizens are happily giving their tax dollars to pay for these camps.

Seems like the whole "taxation is theft" thing doesn't really bother you much at all.

Funny how that works. The US really is the worst country on the planet. You suck so much.
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You were fine right up to the highlighted sentence. I'm not even sure the US is the worst country in North America, much less the entire world.

Beware of hyperbole in these threads. "Pretty bad" is a lot easier to support than "horrific". Ditto "very bad" versus "worst, evah".
 
The US migration debate is not about migration. It is about reality, and the unwillingness to face it.
Comparing US migration policies to countries like Australia, Japan or the EU ignores both the history of America and the geographic and economic facts.

The US economy can't function without a large pool of migrant labor, and it can't completely stop illegal migration even if it tried with all its might.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
The US migration debate is not about migration. It is about reality, and the unwillingness to face it.
Comparing US migration policies to countries like Australia, Japan or the EU ignores both the history of America and the geographic and economic facts.

The US economy can't function without a large pool of migrant labor, and it can't completely stop illegal migration even if it tried with all its might.
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It's funny "America is selectively exceptional!" suddenly is good when it comes to immigration. If Europe can have strict immigration controls, why not America?
 
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This "policy" of separating children from their families and... storing them in inhumane conditions is nothing but a ploy to scare immigrants away from the USA. Ok, I get it: you don't want to have the brown people come into your country. Fine, be that way. But to do this unspeakable thing in order to reach that goal? Dehumanising children by calling them potential gang members to justify what I can only describe as a crime against humanity; and this guy's going to be the head of ICE?

Every single person involved in these monstrous acts, from the President down, should be removed and prosecuted. Anyone defending these actions should be ashamed of themselves. When did anyone become in favour of torturing children?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You are wrong about crossing illegally, there is no such law that one crossing the border cannot ask for asylum if they did not come through an entry port.
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You are wrong about what I have claimed. I have never claimed that a person who crossed illegally cannot petition for asylum, I simply stated that crossing illegally is illegal. Claiming asylum after crossing illegally doesn't retroactively change that crossing into a lawful act.

If they are required to be detained, how is it they can apply for work visa after 150 days while their case is pending?
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After a certain point they can request release on bond. But that point is not before they have a credible fear determination and certainly not immediately upon saying "asylum!"

You are spouting legal opinions Trump has repeated. He's a demonstrably unreliable source.
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That's why I quoted the statute.

Your assertions don't look reliable either.
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Which "assertions" are those?
 
theprestige said:
...Believe that America 2019 is the same as Germany 1936.
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Anther lie from a Trump supporter. Do any of you know how to be honest? Seriously. No one has accused Trump of setting in motion a plan to build death camps. That is an important difference that has been pointed out to you and your fellow travelers multiple times. Why do you persist in this lie? Is it because not backing down from a lie is what your dear leader would do?
 
So question.

If you think an actual hard core criminal here in America is arrested, goes through a fair trail, and is sentenced that their children should be thrown into cages in the desert for months without soap and toothbrushes?

If you think we rescue a group of kids being held by one of those "child sex cults" here in America... those children should be thrown into cages in the desert for months without soup and toothbrushes?

This is the problem with hair splitting (other then it just being anti-intellectual argumentative stalling nonsense.) If you can't show me how either side of the split hair is better, what are you doing?
 
Craig4 said:
Anther lie from a Trump supporter. Do any of you know how to be honest? Seriously. No one has accused Trump of setting in motion a plan to build death camps. That is an important difference that has been pointed out to you and your fellow travelers multiple times. Why do you persist in this lie? Is it because not backing down from a lie is what your dear leader would do?
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So what am I to make of the posts that scream Trumpenfuhrer despite him copying his policies from Australia, which had been implementing them since the John Howard Administration?
 
Craig4 said:
Anther lie from a Trump supporter. Do any of you know how to be honest? Seriously. No one has accused Trump of setting in motion a plan to build death camps. That is an important difference that has been pointed out to you and your fellow travelers multiple times. Why do you persist in this lie? Is it because not backing down from a lie is what your dear leader would do?
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Make up your minds, please. The first Nazi death camps were instituted around 1941. Concentration camps were in existence in 1936. If you're claiming these are concentration camps, don't fly into a tizzy when someone suggests you are drawing similarities to Germany in 1936.
 
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