Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

JoeMorgue said:
STOP WHATABOUTING.
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As we all know, America was a Scandinavia esque social democracy until Evil Evil Drumpf came along, and anything to the contrary is whataboutism. Ignoring the context that made him possible just guarantees another one will emerge. So, as I said, what makes Trump uniquely monstrous in the wider context? Is it scale? Is it the level of cruelty?
 
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JoeMorgue said:
STOP WHATABOUTING.
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But this is WHATABOUTING using other posts and posters rather than other Presidents. It's different. Well, not.

Again, as I see it abhorrent things are being done to human beings by those claiming to represent us. Right now, as we sit here in relative comfort.

Let's work together to try to fix this wrong using whatever abilities we have to do so, not seek to distract from the reality, let alone use irrelevant arguments to minimize or hid it.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
As we all know, America was a Scandinavia esque social democracy until Evil Evil Drumpf came along, and anything to the contrary is whataboutism. Ignoring the context that made him possible just guarantees another one will emerge. So, as I said, what makes Trump uniquely monstrous in the wider context? Is it scale? Is it the level of cruelty?
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NWO Sentryman as Hitler orders the Holocaust:

BUT WHATABOUT GENGHIS KHAN! HUH? HUH? WHATABOUT THAT! THE WORLD WASN'T PERFECT UNTIL HITLER CAME ALONG!
 
NEO Sentryman is clearly arguing that the USA is in no way special and should not aspire to be better than other countries. If other countries are forcibly removing the children of refugees from them at their most vulnerable points, then that’s what we should be doing, too.

Now, what other countries are doing this that we want to emulate?
 
JoeMorgue said:
NWO Sentryman as Hitler orders the Holocaust:

BUT WHATABOUT GENGHIS KHAN! HUH? HUH? WHATABOUT THAT! THE WORLD WASN'T PERFECT UNTIL HITLER CAME ALONG!
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Because as we all know immigration restrictions are just like production line murder during a war of extermination. Otherwise John Howard is a genocidal maniac. You keep pretending that this is unique to trump and only trump and beforehand America was just like Europe.

For crying out loud liberals act as though the Obama years were some sort of utopia before the demonic donald trump spawned out of the 666th layer of hell
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
As we all know, America was a Scandinavia esque social democracy until Evil Evil Drumpf came along, and anything to the contrary is whataboutism. Ignoring the context that made him possible just guarantees another one will emerge. So, as I said, what makes Trump uniquely monstrous in the wider context? Is it scale? Is it the level of cruelty?
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You are going even deeper into the "Well yeh what about ..." approach." Can you take a moment to address the key issue, that if something is morally wrong it is morally wrong no matter how many other administrations have (or have not) done it?
 
Giordano said:
You are going even deeper into the "Well yeh what about ..." approach. Can you take a moment to address the key issue, that if something is morally wrong it is morally wrong no matter how many other administrations have (or have not) done it?
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Morality and reality rarely, if ever, mesh together. The idea that everyone can sit down and enjoy a variety of ethnic foods falls apart quickly. Because there is a lot of elective history when it comes to THIS topic, much less other issues in us history.
 
Upchurch said:
NEO Sentryman is clearly arguing that the USA is in no way special and should not aspire to be better than other countries. If other countries are forcibly removing the children of refugees from them at their most vulnerable points, then that’s what we should be doing, too.

Now, what other countries are doing this that we want to emulate?
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That is easy: the most abhorrent and disgusting ones. We should aspire to be no better than the worse. It leaves us with the most options!
 
Giordano said:
That is easy: the most abhorrent and disgusting ones. We should aspire to be no better than the worse. It leaves us with the most options!
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So that rules out the "civilised world" that liberals have long exhorted as nations for the US to follow.

Upchurch said:
NEO Sentryman is clearly arguing that the USA is in no way special and should not aspire to be better than other countries. If other countries are forcibly removing the children of refugees from them at their most vulnerable points, then that’s what we should be doing, too.

Now, what other countries are doing this that we want to emulate?
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Well it is long believed that america was exceptional only for being **** and that Europe and Australia were the true places to emulate. Well that monkeys paw curled it's finger.
 
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NWO Sentryman said:
Well it is long believed that america was exceptional only for being **** and that Europe and Australia were the true places to emulate. Well that monkeys paw curled it's finger.
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No... no, you lost me there. What European countries, specifically, separates refugees’s children from them? I’d like a source on Australia doing that, too, please.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Morality and reality rarely, if ever, mesh together. The idea that everyone can sit down and enjoy a variety of ethnic foods falls apart quickly. Because there is a lot of elective history when it comes to THIS topic, much less other issues in us history.
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Well they do so more often than I think you give the world create for.

But whatever the limitations of the "realities," the real question is what should be our most important goals! Our goals as moral human beings and as societies. What are our aspirations and what are we morally impelled to seek to the very best of our practical abilities? What is it that we hope to be, and what is it that we seek for our children?

If we are no better than the worse countries and societies, and our leaders no better than the most disgusting in the past, then what pride can we have in our country? What pride can we have in ourselves?

I am very cynical about politics but ultimately I do have higher expectations for the results of our political system. We should be driven ultimately by morality however far short we too often fall from this ideality. What else is there as a purpose for our lives? A larger screen TV?
 
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Upchurch said:
No... no, you lost me there. What European countries, specifically, separates refugees’s children from them? I’d like a source on Australia doing that, too, please.
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Italy has pursued a "let them drown!" Policy and so far the rest of Europe has given tacit consent. Australia, on the other hand has been sending them to a detention facility for the past 20 years that managed to shock trump.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
Italy has pursued a "let them drown!" Policy and so far the rest of Europe has given tacit consent. Australia, on the other hand has been sending them to a detention facility for the past 20 years that managed to shock trump.
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Odd. That doesn’t seem to answer my question or provide any evidence to support it at all.
 
NWO Sentryman said:
So that rules out the "civilised world" that liberals have long exhorted as nations for the US to follow.


Well it is long believed that america was exceptional only for being **** and that Europe and Australia were the true places to emulate. Well that monkeys paw curled it's finger.
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And you lost me there, given mine was a satirical comment. But here we are again, back to the What about... Okay, I think you've made your views clear.

Just saying personally I am convinced that "What about..." would be a poor argument if I am wrong and I find myself facing St. Peter after I die. Or if karma and certain forms of Buddhism are correct such an argument would leave me being re-incarnated as a dung beetle. If I was lucky.
 
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Upchurch said:
Hm. Nothing there about separating kids from refugees. I don’t seem to recall the US drowning people. How are we emulating this in anyway?
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In the case of Italy they are separating families... by using the Mediterranean sea to do it for them.
 
Upchurch said:
Hm. Nothing there about separating kids from refugees. I don’t seem to recall the US drowning people. How are we emulating this in anyway?
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Even more of the "other countries do evil things, or at least are claimed to do evil things, so there is no reason to not do evil things ourselves" justification. The "evils" don't even have to match very well. No reason to strive for better: find the worse and use it to justify whatever you wish to do with morality irrelevant.

Somehow that doesn't help me sleep at night. I don't understand if it works for others.
 
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