Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

[BobTheCoward]

So why should immigration be unrestricted? I mean the "let them all in!" Mentality is only among American liberals who think that yummy immigrant food and more voters benefit them. In Europe, Japan and Australia, hell in South Africa there has been crackdowns on immigration with little protest. If anything, growing diversity is weakening the welfare state.

For me it is a bunch of libertarian reasons I support open borders.

As someone who does support open borders, and can tell you the liberal supporters of open borders is few.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

It's interesting how you defend fabrications with more fabrications.

Handling immigration has certainly been looked at more seriously all over the world. Only extreme right wing administrations like Hungary or Italy have actually gone as far as the USA in their actions against immigrants. Are you proud of that? The rest of us struggle with increased immigration yes, but so far we manage to stay within international and national law. Why are you so pleased that the Trump administration often fails to follow US and international law in this matter? I thought the USA was a nation of laws?

Was it ever when the law said black people were considered three fifths human, and presidents before trump did far worse? And besides international law is just words on paper. See Australia and Manus island or Italy and it's prosecution of rescuers. Europe by and large has given tacit consent to Italy's policies and have even moved rightward in response. The liberal ideal of people of all colours and creeds enjoying a variety of dinnerplates in a diverse society has failed to materialise.

 

[BobTheCoward]

It’s a lesser criminal act, like jaywalking or littering. Totally worth pulling families apart and sticking kids in concentration camps, amirite?

I am willing to bet nearly every adult American has broken the law.

It is risible when someone starts acting like inspector javert on one issue.

 

[Upchurch]

Was it ever when the law said black people were considered three fifths human, and presidents before trump did far worse? And besides international law is just words on paper. See Australia and Manus island or Italy and it's prosecution of rescuers. Europe by and large has given tacit consent to Italy's policies and have even moved rightward in response. The liberal ideal of people of all colours and creeds enjoying a variety of dinnerplates in a diverse society has failed to materialise.

Slow down. Think it out. Then write a post.

Maybe read it through out loud once before hitting the submit button.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

It’s a lesser criminal act, like jaywalking or littering.

Or assault, or theft, or DUI.

FYI, jaywalking is usually not even a misdemeanor. Littering isn't always one, either. But nice try trying to make it "not a big deal."

Totally worth pulling families apart and sticking kids in concentration camps, amirite?

So why aren't you at your local police station protesting how they are tearing families apart whenever they book a DUI? Or maybe you are, I dunno. Are you protesting at your local police station when someone gets popped for punching someone else in the face? Think of the children!

If you get caught committing a crime, you are frequently arrested. Your kids don't come with you to jail. This is reality. Come join us here.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Or assault, or theft, or DUI.


So why aren't you at your local police station protesting how they are tearing families apart whenever they book a DUI? Or maybe you are, I dunno. Are you protesting at your local police station when someone gets popped for punching someone else in the face? Think of the children!

If you get caught committing a crime, you are frequently arrested. Your kids don't come with you to jail. This is reality. Come join us here.

I think the pro immigrant side is absolutely in favor of detaining thes adults for the length of time a person is detained for a DUI.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

It's not really surprising that the only argument anyone can muster in support of the concentration camps is "well it's not illegal".

First of all, they are not concentration camps in the usual use of the word. If they are concentration camps, then every nation on Earth has them - they are called jails and prisons.

Second, detention for pending asylee cases is more than just "not illegal" it is, as I cited, mandated by statute.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

First of all, they are not concentration camps in the usual use of the word. If they are concentration camps, then every nation on Earth has them - they are called jails and prisons.

Second, detention for pending asylee cases is more than just "not illegal" it is, as I cited, mandated by statute.

They are exactly concentration camps in the usual sense of the word.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

Slow down. Think it out. Then write a post.

Maybe read it through out loud once before hitting the submit button.

Was on my phone earlier. Anyhoo.

1) Liberals for a long time have insisted that America has only ever been a land of monsters comparable to Nazi Germany, and that Europe has always been a multicultural paradise with hate speech laws and where guns are banned. Except, Trump comes along, and implements immigration restrictions in line with what Europe and Australia ("The Civilised World") are getting up to, and Liberals try to insist that it's against American ideals.

2) International Law is just words on paper that nations pick and choose when convenient (SEE: Australia and Manus Island, Bush Years, Putin and Crimea)

3) As for the talk of how other countries handle immigration "in line with domestic and international law", that has been demonstrated to be largely lip service.

4) Lastly, the talk of "Nation of laws" tends to run into the uncomfortable issue that in America, Black people were legally considered 3/5ths human for quite some time.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Well to start with, denying entry in the first place to asylum seekers.

Entry is not being denied. There is a limit to how many asylum cases can be processed in a day. It's not just walk up to the port, yell "ASYLUM" and you go on through and wait for your hearing date. The initial process takes at least a couple hours per person.

Since there is a limit to processing capacity, some people end up waiting in a line to go through that process. This is not denial of entry, this is being swamped by an avalanche of people.

Given: there is a process by which asylum claims must be adjudicated.
Given: the asylum process takes time to complete at entry.
Given: there is a finite supply of manpower to process claims.
Given: the asylum workload exceeds processing capacity.

With these facts as given, what is your alternative to the port lines for applicants for admission who claim asylum and the detention facilities for illegal entrants who do the same?

Second, refusing to process those asylum seekers. Locking them up is one thing, but due process is also part of the procedure.

Prove processing has stopped, please. This is an enormous claim that requires proof.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

They are exactly concentration camps in the usual sense of the word.

Please point out the line item in the budget for the Zyklon B.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Entry is not being denied. There is a limit to how many asylum cases can be processed in a day. It's not just walk up to the port, yell "ASYLUM" and you go on through and wait for your hearing date. The initial process takes at least a couple hours per person.

Since there is a limit to processing capacity, some people end up waiting in a line to go through that process. This is not denial of entry, this is being swamped by an avalanche of people.

Given: there is a process by which asylum claims must be adjudicated.
Given: the asylum process takes time to complete at entry.
Given: there is a finite supply of manpower to process claims.
Given: the asylum workload exceeds processing capacity.

With these facts as given, what is your alternative to the port lines for applicants for admission who claim asylum and the detention facilities for illegal entrants who do the same?


Prove processing has stopped, please. This is an enormous claim that requires proof.

One alternative is to let them and release them and give them an appointment date.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Driving over the speed limit is a criminal act.

Sometimes. But if you go fast enough you still get arrested and you are still separated from your family. Just like any other time you are arrested.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Sometimes. But if you go fast enough you still get arrested and you are still separated from your family. Just like any other time you are arrested.

Right I can't count the number I've gotten a 45 in a 35 ticket and... boom next thing you know I'm separated from my family for months with no legal rights and no basic access to health, comfort, or safety items.

You cannot be this dense.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

I've now indicated how that is so. They subject persons to conditions that deny them their civil rights. To do so is a violation of the law.

The allegation related to the simple existence of the detention facilities and was not related to allegations of substandard conditions.

*Useless backhanded comments and insults removed after thinking about it*

Nice to know your posts consist of things to which you haven't even given a thought.

Hide behind the law all you want.

It won't save you.

Save me?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Right I can't count the number I've gotten a 45 in a 35 ticket and... boom next thing you know I'm separated from my family for months with no legal rights and no basic access to health, comfort, or safety items.

You cannot be this dense.

I don't think ten over generally rises to the arresting level. In many states low-level speeding isn't even a crime but is instead an infraction.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

One alternative is to let them and release them and give them an appointment date.

This violates the legally mandated process for dealing with asylum applicants. As I said, you can't just stroll up to the port, yell asylum, and then expect to get released and get a hearing date. There is an interview. The whole process takes time.

So no, that is not an alternative.

 

[Craig4]

Please point out the line item in the budget for the Zyklon B.

Nice strawman there. No one has accused the administration of creating death camps.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I don't think ten over generally rises to the arresting level. In many states low-level speeding isn't even a crime but is instead an infraction.

Asking for political asylum/seeking refugee status/attempting to immigrant ISN'T EVEN A CRIME! It's just a... process.

By your "logic" the DMV can throw you in a cage without food and water out back near the dumpster while it processes your new license.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

You cannot be this dense.

It's telling that he's managed to bob Bob.