Mueller Investigation pt 6

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Minoosh said:
You mean, who do you trust to do the best job? Ask someone you trust about who they trust. That puts it right back onto you - why do you trust them? There's no way to avoid using your own judgment.
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It isn't a question of trust if you measure it
 
BobTheCoward said:
It isn't a question of trust if you measure it
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With whose yardstick?

(I could have sworn I already posted this but it's not showing up.)

Maybe Consumer Reports will do a rating of news media with appropriate metrics.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Says the group of people who refuse to articulate their methodology.
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No. I articulated it as "Read the Report".

The problem is you simply refuse to accept the answer, evidently desiring something more complicated for some reason.
 
Cabbage said:
No. I articulated it as "Read the Report".

The problem is you simply refuse to accept the answer, evidently desiring something more complicated for some reason.
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The report itself is not an answer to the epistemological questions raised on how to determine what is valuable knowledge from it.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The report itself is not an answer to the epistemological questions raised on how to determine what is valuable knowledge from it.
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For starters, you can compare the conclusions of the Report (especially the Obstruction part) with the Articles of Impeachment drawn up for Nixon.
That will tell you what a past Congress (and White House) considered behavior warranting impeachment that can only be preempted by resignation.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The report itself is not an answer to the epistemological questions raised on how to determine what is valuable knowledge from it.
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You can:

1) Read it and use your own judgment on what is valuable

or

2) Let someone else read it for you and let them decided what is valuable to you.

You simply need to realize that different people are going to disagree on which parts are valuable or not.

If you are hoping for a Moses/Jesus/Muhammad type figure to provide you with the Ultimate Truth/Value......well, you're just wasting your time.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The report itself is not an answer to the epistemological questions raised on how to determine what is valuable knowledge from it.
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It should also be pointed out that some of the lies being told by certain individuals regarding the Mueller report should make it easy to figure out who you shouldn't trust, at least.
 
Cabbage said:
You can:

1) Read it and use your own judgment on what is valuable

or

2) Let someone else read it for you and let them decided what is valuable to you.

You simply need to realize that different people are going to disagree on which parts are valuable or not.

If you are hoping for a Moses/Jesus/Muhammad type figure to provide you with the Ultimate Truth/Value......well, you're just wasting your time.
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Okay. I get it. Not everyone gets tied up with fundamental questions on the nature of knowledge on every post. Most people can muddle through.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Does the following also work?

“Liberals have been trained to discard any information that isn’t coming from a source actively promoting their ideology. Therefore, to be believable to a liberal you first and foremost need to prove that you are a liberal and that what you are saying conforms to liberal dogma. Any source that isn't actively promoting the liberal cause is deemed untrustworthy.”

My point is, I think what you’re describing is “confirmation bias”, and is hardly the exclusive realm of conservatives.
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It doesn't work well, given the present situation. Confirmation bias and various other bias certainly do exist, of course, but... there are a few things worth remembering. For example, when it comes to what values "liberals" universally hold, it's pretty much just "truth" and "fairness." Conservatives are more spread out in what values they hold, but things like "loyalty" are roughly equivalent to "truth," on average. Liberals are, in short, fundamentally not inclined to fit your proposal. Also, to speak for myself, in my observation, liberals are much more likely to question information from liberal sources than conservatives are to question information from "conservative" sources.

wareyin said:
Confirmation bias certainly exists, and everyone is subject to it. But is there really a liberal information bubble? I know that some on the far, far right think CNN, NBC, ABC, and the like are promoting liberal ideology, but are they really?
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They differ a bit, but... broadly speaking, the MSM generally leans slightly right overall. In addition, they tend to give notable voice to far right propagandists for several reasons, one of the most benign of which is trying to promote the image of being neutral, while not giving practically any actual voice to people actually on the left wing. Also, as a general rule, the Republican Party gets treated overwhelmingly better than the Democratic Party in similar situations. Red Wave in 2010? "Mandate from the People! Mandate from the People! Mandate from the People!" Blue Wave in 2018? "Oh, there was a Blue Wave? That's nice, moving on."
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Can you articulate how you know?
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Well you see

1. What I read in the Muller Report matches very closely with what Liberal media such as CNN, NBC, MSNBC, Huffpost & CBS have been reporting.

2. What I read in the Mueller Report is does not at all match, and is in fact, completely at odds with what conservative media such as Faux News, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannitty and Rush Limbaugh have been reporting.

You don't need to be A. Einstein to work out who is lying about what's in the report and who isn't.
 
smartcooky said:
No, they're just playing it!
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Yup, it's like all of those that are trying to equate 'paying a US Company for Op-Research, and that company then hiring a foreigner as their investigator,' and 'having someone claiming to represent a foreign Government offering to give you Op-Research totally for free,' by claiming that they are exactly the same thing.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Yup, it's like all of those that are trying to equate 'paying a US Company for Op-Research, and that company then hiring a foreigner as their investigator,' and 'having someone claiming to represent a foreign Government offering to give you Op-Research totally for free,' by claiming that they are exactly the same thing.
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Always remembering that if that Op_Research company was approached by a representative of a foreign government, they would most certainly call the FBI. They know they would be breaking the law if they did not.
 
smartcooky said:
Well you see

1. What I read in the Muller Report matches very closely with what Liberal media such as CNN, NBC, MSNBC, Huffpost & CBS have been reporting.

2. What I read in the Mueller Report is does not at all match, and is in fact, completely at odds with what conservative media such as Faux News, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannitty and Rush Limbaugh have been reporting.

You don't need to be A. Einstein to work out who is lying about what's in the report and who isn't.
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Yea, I find what is truth an incredibly hard question to make a claim about.
 
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