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Hopefully the seeing of China's government through rose colored eyes is something we will see less of.
CHina has is a brutal dictatorship. End of story.
 
Hopefully the seeing of China's government through rose colored eyes is something we will see less of.
CHina has is a brutal dictatorship. End of story.

yeah, but food and shelter are more urgent needs than freedom of speech.
 
yeah, but food and shelter are more urgent needs than freedom of speech.

Funny, that sounds an awful lot what the western defenders of Uncle Joe were saying....
And the old "Mussolini is a ruthless murdering dictator but he made the trains run on time" argument.
I am now convinced that the rise of Trump has driven some on the left into their own brand of authoratnism,and this butt kissing of the Chinese Government is a good example of this.
 
Funny, that sounds an awful lot what the western defenders of Uncle Joe were saying....
And the old "Mussolini is a ruthless murdering dictator but he made the trains run on time" argument.
I am now convinced that the rise of Trump has driven some on the left into their own brand of authoratnism,and this butt kissing of the Chinese Government is a good example of this.

Say what you will about foreign organ-stealing murdering despots but at least they aren’t our domestic opposition!
 
Hopefully the seeing of China's government through rose colored eyes is something we will see less of.
CHina has is a brutal dictatorship. End of story.

yeah, but food and shelter are more urgent needs than freedom of speech.

Is there currently a famine in Hong Kong?
Is there even a significant amount of malnutrition in mainland China?
What about housing? Are significant numbers of Chinese citizens without proper shelter?

I'm asking because I lived in China for a year, and saw no such issues.
Furthermore, even if there were, is there anything preventing the Chinese government from allowing freedom of speech whilst at the same time working on improving access to food and shelter? I don't see how these are mutually exclusive.
 
I find it scary that so manyon the left insist on viewing the Chinese Government through such rose colored glasses.
But I guess it was because the Great Leap Forward was such a great success.
 
God, I hope you are joking or tyring to be edgy.

Happy to clarify: yes of course it's horrible. I'm sure some people get executed for the crime of being a good match for organ donations to rich/powerful people.


Funny, that sounds an awful lot what the western defenders of Uncle Joe were saying....
And the old "Mussolini is a ruthless murdering dictator but he made the trains run on time" argument.
I am now convinced that the rise of Trump has driven some on the left into their own brand of authoratnism,and this butt kissing of the Chinese Government is a good example of this.

I would draw the line after Maslow's basic needs are met: a line China has crossed by now. Below that, I would argue that a dictatorial technocracy saving hundreds of millions from starvation is better than a democracy that can't manage to do that.
And, of course, the power of China means that you can and should criticizes more, not less it's terrible abuses of dissenters and religious minorities: there is no danger that China is going to collapse back to Great Leap levels of poverty.
 
I find it scary that so manyon the left insist on viewing the Chinese Government through such rose colored glasses.

But I guess it was because the Great Leap Forward was such a great success.
I would find it scary if that was the case.
 
The Chinese government was never going to allow any genuinely democratic form of government in Hong Kong, because they fear it would increase support for democracy in the mainland.

Consequently it has also been systematically chipping away at the autonomy and independence Hong Kong usually has enjoyed, in an attempt to steer it towards something that looks superficially democratic yet is still under direct control of the Communist party. The most brazen of this was the kidnapping of Chinese political dissidents in Hong Kong and taking them to the Chinese mainland, but far less overt examples are probably more important.

In the end, if the protests continue long enough, China is almost certainly going to crack down and completely subject Hong Kong to martial law. Xi and the rest of the national leadership won't tolerate such an important and prominent part of the country appearing to be in open revolt. They have a need to show that rebellion and mass protests cannot work, ever.
 
Russia never scared me but China is terrifying in the Pacific.
Russian culture closely matches European, and will default to libertarian values.

He hopes.
 

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