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Klimax said:
Apparently full destruction of everything is acceptable...

Tory members happy to trash UK economy, break up union, and destroy their own party to get Brexit, poll finds
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Hm. How has their membership fluctuated recently?

Have a significant number of people quit and/or enrolled in the party in the past couple of years? That could explain a lot, the insane moving in and the sane out.

Also, 100,000 members seems bit small for one of two major parties of the UK. I'd expect their numbers to be around a million or so at least. Funny, that.

McHrozni
 
Klimax said:
Apparently full destruction of everything is acceptable...



Tory members happy to trash UK economy, break up union, and destroy their own party to get Brexit, poll finds
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They'd accept a seriously damaged economy, the breakup of the United Kingdom and the end of the Conservative party to get England (and Wales, I suppose) out of the EU. The only thing they could not tolerate would be if a Labour government got in as a result.

These people are insane. But they'll keep waving their union jacks even as they destroy the union, just to get their precious blue passports.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
They'd accept a seriously damaged economy, the breakup of the United Kingdom and the end of the Conservative party to get England (and Wales, I suppose) out of the EU. The only thing they could not tolerate would be if a Labour government got in as a result.

These people are insane. But they'll keep waving their union jacks even as they destroy the union, just to get their precious blue passports.
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That are made by Germans and French...
 
McHrozni said:
Hm. How has their membership fluctuated recently?

Have a significant number of people quit and/or enrolled in the party in the past couple of years? That could explain a lot, the insane moving in and the sane out.

Also, 100,000 members seems bit small for one of two major parties of the UK. I'd expect their numbers to be around a million or so at least. Funny, that.

McHrozni
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The numbers are in steady, gradual decline since the early 90's.

There was a steep drop (by more than half) in the late 80's

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/09/the-end-of-the-party/
 
Jack by the hedge said:
They'd accept a seriously damaged economy, the breakup of the United Kingdom and the end of the Conservative party to get England (and Wales, I suppose) out of the EU. The only thing they could not tolerate would be if a Labour government got in as a result.

These people are insane. But they'll keep waving their union jacks even as they destroy the union, just to get their precious blue passports.
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Can we stay in the EU please ?

I know we voted Leave, but remind us that the English are firmly in favour of it and we'll change our minds.......
 
That poll was of tory party members, who are by and large insane anyway.
The fact that nearly 30% don't think Brexit-whatever-the-cost is a Good Idea I (personally) think is a nice surprise.

I thought it would be a lot lower than that.
 
Garrison said:
The Tory membership is increasingly elderly and attached to mythical vision of Britain rooted in the 1950's.
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Unfortunately, they also get to choose our next Prime Minister and hence ensure a no-deal Brexit:(

120 000 people get to choose what happens to 64 million - talk about a democratic deficit....
 
The Don said:
Just had a four-page A4 leaflet from the EFDD (the grouping the Brexit Party belongs to) shoved through the door.

It strawmanned a series of Remain arguments and reassured us that a no-deal Brexit would be just fine - without giving any specifics as to why.

If only I had a parrot cage I'd have found a use for it.
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Tear it in half, then into quarters, make a small hole in one corner and thread a string through. At least you can give the life if the tree that made the paper some kind if meaning.
 
The Don said:
Unfortunately, they also get to choose our next Prime Minister and hence ensure a no-deal Brexit:(

120 000 people get to choose what happens to 64 million - talk about a democratic deficit....
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Don't forget the 6 million who signed the petition for a second referendum. The Conservative memberships bears little or no resemblance to the demographics of the electorate at large and the likely winner is a man who will cheerfully bypass parliament to ram through a deal no one wants.
 
The Don said:
The numbers are in steady, gradual decline since the early 90's.

There was a steep drop (by more than half) in the late 80's

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/09/the-end-of-the-party/
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I'm thinking more in the past three years or so, the graph doesn't resolve well enough to see.

I'm asking because the people most likely to leave are be the people most displeased by party policy. Party policy of the past three years has been Brexit, come hell or high water. Conservative party members who disagree may have left the party by the thousands, leaving the retarded inside to vote for disaster to secure the glorious future of Brexit.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
I'm thinking more in the past three years or so, the graph doesn't resolve well enough to see.

I'm asking because the people most likely to leave are be the people most displeased by party policy. Party policy of the past three years has been Brexit, come hell or high water. Conservative party members who disagree may have left the party by the thousands, leaving the retarded inside to vote for disaster to secure the glorious future of Brexit.

McHrozni
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This is the best I can do.....

The Conservative Party does not publish data on party membership in annual accounts. The latest estimates for 2018 (124,000) and 2013 (149,000) were acquired from public sources and information from the CCHQ.
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That level of estimated reduction looks more like demographic "shrinkage" to me than wholesale defections due to Brexit (either Leavers to UKIP or Remainers).

UKIP had a proportionally larger reduction over a shorter period.

UKIP had 23,280 members, compared to over 34,293 reported in December 2016.
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https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05125
 
Garrison said:
Don't forget the 6 million who signed the petition for a second referendum. The Conservative memberships bears little or no resemblance to the demographics of the electorate at large and the likely winner is a man who will cheerfully bypass parliament to ram through a deal no one wants.
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If only that were true, but the vast majority of Conservative members and a clear majority of Conservative supporters (as well as Brexit Party and a tiny minority of Labour Party supporters) want a no-deal. Supprt for no-deal seems to be in the 30% to 40% range.

A unscientific straw poll taken down the local shows almost complete support among "gammons" but even younger people appear to be of the opinion that a no-deal will involve nothing worse than a little short-term inconvenience but that it'll turn out fine.

The Leave campaign has been very successful at branding reality as "Project Fear" and as a result people here simply discount any and all warnings of future consequences.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Tear it in half, then into quarters, make a small hole in one corner and thread a string through. At least you can give the life if the tree that made the paper some kind if meaning.
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Sadly they were printed on gloss paper, so rather like the Leave campaign itself, they'd be excrement distribution devices.....
 
The Don said:
If only that were true, but the vast majority of Conservative members and a clear majority of Conservative supporters (as well as Brexit Party and a tiny minority of Labour Party supporters) want a no-deal. Supprt for no-deal seems to be in the 30% to 40% range.
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The last YouGov I saw (a couple of weeks ago?) had it at 30% (maybe a smidge over).
Remain, in that poll, was at 45% (maybe a smidge over).

I know a third of the country being nuts might be a concern, but it's always been that way.
 
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