Which is not what you originally claimed people voted for at all. It's a mile away in fact. And yes you would know very clearly because it would be a significant legal change of status.
Of course it would. The parties in power all advocate for further integration.
Not in 2 years, not in 20 years, not in 200 years.
I'm sure the Scotts said the same at many points in the past. Why not? Stranger things have happened, surely.
I don't know anybody in Austria that wants to be part of Germany. I'm sure there must be some - Nazis possibly. But there is no serious political movement as far as I am aware of to make this happen.
Yea. If it wasn't for the Nazis, Austria would likely be a federal subject of Germany right now. Or not, we can't be sure. But it wouldn't be a strange suggestion at all.
However, there is nobody (!) who thinks they are the same nation as Bulgaria or Albania and both sides agree that they DON'T want a European superstate and the relinquishing of nationhood.
I'm sure many Scotts would oppose being called the same nation as Englishmen too. Yet, they're a part of the same state. State and ethnicity are not the same thing, they never were. There was a brief time in history, perhaps 200 years or so, when the aim was to obtain proper nation-states
in Europe. The end result were some of the bloodiest wars in human history and, curiously, the EU. There is absolutely no reason, historic or otherwise, for nations to be synonimous with states.
I assure you the exact same concerns were being voiced ~1500 years ago (give or take another 500, depending on the area), when various tribes were forming the first nations. The question is exactly the same and so is the only correct answer.
It does when you are asking people to relinquish it.
Relinquish what? The people relinquish nothing. They exercise their soverignty in a different manner, that's it. National politicians do relinquish power and authority, that's why the process is difficult.
But the people? Zero difference.
You keep saying that as if somehow it's going to happen by accident despite nobody wanting it. It really isn't.
Try reading the Treaty of Rome. You don't need to go through the whole thing, the first line will do.
https://ec.europa.eu/romania/sites/romania/files/tratatul_de_la_roma.pdf
Right after where they list all the signatories. It's not an accident and I assure far more than "nobody" wants it.
This is your opinion but it seems a mile away from reality. I think you don't appreciate what a 'state' would be. A single flag, a single language?, a single national anthem?, a single football team at the World Cup?, a single Olympic team? Not happening.
Of the above? Just the flag, we already have that. All the rest remains like today. Consider: of the above the UK has a single flag (kinda) and a single national anthem, but none of the others.
No. The unified European superstate means it has a legislative body (parliament) that is able to write laws that can be implemented regardless of the consent of member states, an executive that can follow those laws where applicable and runs a common external policy plus a fiscal union. We already have the ECJ, which might obtain greater function too. A pan-European police force is a maybe, a pan-European military is a far weaker maybe - neither are strictly necessary. Maybe sometime in the future, with the police force coming in decades before the military.
Anthems, WC teams and whatnot? No, why would we want to unify that? We can take far more prizes if we play those separately. There's no reason to delve into such minor details. If there is a broad consensus we should do so then sure, I don't mind, but it's an unimportant issue one way or the other.
Since most things seem to point to smaller nations being more prosperous in general then if anything the opposite is more likely. That huge states with multiple cultures like China and India will disintegrate and fragment. Europe and Russia may well further subdivide.
China has had plenty of opportunities to fragment, but it didn't - thanks to a common identity shared between the various Chinese nations.
Yeah they have those, didn't you know? China can be described as a family of nations, bound together by a common Chinese identity.
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