Today's Mass Shooting

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I knew the MSM was suppressing details. Maybe instead of arguing about banning guns, we should have a thoughtful discussion about banning Blacks. The Founding Fathers did not intend for events like this to occur.
 
Cain said:
I knew the MSM was suppressing details. Maybe instead of arguing about banning guns, we should have a thoughtful discussion about banning Blacks. The Founding Fathers did not intend for events like this to occur.
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You may be onto something. There are less blacks than guns in the USA so that might actually be easier.
 
I'm surprised that there is no mention yet of a likely motive. Immediately he was called "disgruntled" but that wasn't because of any known cause or motive. It was just an automatic designation for a workplace shooting spree.

He wasn't fired and there is no mention of any impending firing or discipline or demotion or anything. It's unusual that we don't have any reported hints towards that yet.
 
Cain said:
I knew the MSM was suppressing details. Maybe instead of arguing about banning guns, we should have a thoughtful discussion about banning Blacks. The Founding Fathers did not intend for events like this to occur.
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More than one member of this forum would seriously agree with you.
 
William Parcher said:
I'm surprised that there is no mention yet of a likely motive. Immediately he was called "disgruntled" but that wasn't because of any known cause or motive. It was just an automatic designation for a workplace shooting spree.

He wasn't fired and there is no mention of any impending firing or discipline or demotion or anything. It's unusual that we don't have any reported hints towards that yet.
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Between the time that I wrote this and right now, it's been reported that he submitted a letter of resignation a couple hours before he began shooting. They aren't saying what was in that letter.
 
Hansen said Craddock was not forced to resign and that Craddock's "performance was satisfactory."

The gunman was "within good standing in his department" and had "no issues of discipline ongoing," the city manager said.

But near the end of the workday Friday, Craddock shot one person in a car and then entered the building, where he fired at victims on three floors.
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So the shooter was not angry about being fired or any other disciplinary work issue, which reduces the likelihood that the shooting was some kind of straightforward revenge act - although the fact that police had established he shot indiscriminately at whomever he saw during his rampage rather than targeting any particular individuals already put that possibility somewhat low.

Police say they confiscated a number of weapons, although the exact number and type is not being released. Still, since we know the idea that a law-abiding American Citizen who amasses an arsenal of lawfully-purchased firearms as an exercise of his God-given and Constitutionally-protected sacred right to defend his home and family against intruders and a Tyrannical corporation-state might ever decide to use said freedom-tools to carry out criminal activity like a mass shooting is nothing but sick lib propaganda, I suppose we may surmise that the shooter gathered these weapons as part of a premeditated plan to carry out this attack.
 
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Checkmite said:
I suppose we may surmise that the shooter gathered these weapons as part of a premeditated plan to carry out this attack.
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It's been reported that he had two .45 cal pistols with him. One was purchased in 2016 and the other in 2018. He also had other guns at home. So if he was "gathering" as a premeditation it began in 2016 or earlier.

They say all the guns were legal but I'm not sure about the suppressors (silencers). Maybe they are also legal.

They aren't detailing anything about the resignation letter yet and also aren't declaring a motive yet. So maybe the motive isn't really revealed in the resignation letter.

They were never able to determine the motive/cause for Paddock in Las Vegas. Maybe this guy will be the same.
 
sadhatter said:
Remind me again the population difference between new Zealand and the U.S. ?

Also little early to claim anything done there has stopped future violent incidents, no?

It's kinda like a guy punching his wife. He says afterward " I'm gonna find Jesus. " reads 2 pages of the bible, and declares it a win for the church because he didn't hit her the rest of the day.
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How about Port Arthur in Australia.

Or the UK responses to mass shootings. At about 20% of the population of the US, if all else was equal, we'd expect about 20% of the mass shootings of the US. Instead the US dwarfs the whole of Europe, including Russia.
 
I thought Trump was going to deal with mass shootings. Instead, he has ignored most of them, rarely making any comment (tweet) about what is happening.
 
Nessie said:
I thought Trump was going to deal with mass shootings.
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How? By reopening the insane asylums and starting up long trains to bring millions of people with broken brains to be locked up so that they cannot brutalize and murder any normal people with their physical violence?

How can a President deal with widespread and violent mental illness in their country?
 
CNN: "His supervisor asked him why he was resigning, a former colleague told CNN; Craddock told his boss he was quitting for personal reasons."
 
quadraginta said:
I may be misunderstanding either you or the article quote.
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Maybe both.

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The quote appears to be saying that "silencers" are illegal in VB, not guns.
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The claim was made that Virginia Beach bans silencers; I would presume that the reporter meant to say silencer possession.

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Are you saying that because the state of VA allows silencers that VB couldn't pass a local ordinance against them? Aside from gun possession?
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I don't think any county in VA can ban possession of any type of firearm that is legal in VA. It does appear that the city of Virginia Beach did ban open carry of various firearms.

In the USA, silencers are firearms. I suppose Virginia Beach could define them as assault weapons and ban open carry of them within city limits.

I could look it up, but maybe not. I'm not really going to care if a UK newspaper article is accurate. :)

ETA; I didn't see anything here; https://library.municode.com/va/virginia_beach/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=CO_CH38WE to support the claim in post #901
Unlike some states, silencers are legal in Virginia, though it is illegal to have one in Virginia Beach per local ordinance.
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https://www.apnews.com/1cfdc645dbd54592b685b977e211c99b

More details on the gun used. They say it was a 45 caliber handgun. If he used a silencer, then it was most likely a commercial unit purchased from a dealer or a private sale authorized by the ATF.

There is the usual fear mongering....
It’s the nightmare scenario that gun-control advocates have warned about amid efforts in recent years to ease restrictions on the devices, which they say can help shooters escape detection and inflict more carnage.
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Knowing there are more than a million silencers in American hands already, crying about a bloodbath ready to spread across the USA due to mufflers is not realistic.
 
Steve said:
You may be onto something. There are less blacks than guns in the USA so that might actually be easier.
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Oregon tried to ban black people in the 1800's; the penalty for entry was a whipping if I remember correctly. It didn't last.
 
Nessie said:
I thought Trump was going to deal with mass shootings. Instead, he has ignored most of them, rarely making any comment (tweet) about what is happening.
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Trump dealt with the Vegas shooting by confiscating firearms (bump stocks) without compensation; it will still cost >$300 million though. This is the first time the federal government has done this as far as i know.
 
Ranb said:
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In the USA, silencers are firearms. I suppose Virginia Beach could define them as assault weapons and ban open carry of them within city limits.

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Okay. This is a usage I wasn't familiar with. I have always thought of a silencer as a device one attached to a firearm. (Assuming it wasn't an integral part of the weapon design.)
 
William Parcher said:
How? By reopening the insane asylums and starting up long trains to bring millions of people with broken brains to be locked up so that they cannot brutalize and murder any normal people with their physical violence?

How can a President deal with widespread and violent mental illness in their country?
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He cannot. No one can deal with the shooting violence in the USA. It is an insurmountable problem.
 
As much as I love ALL Americans regardless of race, gender or religion, I just love guns a little bit more.
 
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