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acbytesla said:
Do I think McConnell is awful? Yes I do. I'm not defending him. There is no excuse for his anti-democratic actions. I grant you that there had been a long history of anti-semitism raging in Europe for centuries. But it's impossible for me to compare the inhumanity of Hitler and the NAZIs to anything McConnell and Trump have done so far.
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This is what progressives actually believe.
 
acbytesla said:
Do I think McConnell is awful? Yes I do. I'm not defending him. There is no excuse for his anti-democratic actions. I grant you that there had been a long history of anti-semitism raging in Europe for centuries. But it's impossible for me to compare the inhumanity of Hitler and the NAZIs to anything McConnell and Trump have done so far.
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For Trump to act like Hitler, it's simply a case of he would if he could. He would have no qualms about it simply because he would have no conscience about it. He would be oblivious, as he is oblivious now, to anyone else suffering provided he gets his own way. It is only "circumstances" which have held him back (Fake News, Obama conspiracy, the Dems obstruction, etc. etc.)
 
Norman Alexander said:
For Trump to act like Hitler, it's simply a case of he would if he could. He would have no qualms about it simply because he would have no conscience about it. He would be oblivious, as he is oblivious now, to anyone else suffering provided he gets his own way. It is only "circumstances" which have held him back (Fake News, Obama conspiracy, the Dems obstruction, etc. etc.)
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No, I don't buy that. i grant you that Trump is oblivious to other's suffering and even lacks a conscience. Trump cares about one thing, himself. He's overly susceptible to complements and criticism. But no way does he rage with hate the way Hitler did. Trump loves attention and is bigoted. You could say he is a racist, but Its racist with a small "r". Hitler proactively wanted purge Germany of anyone who wasn't part of the Aryan race.

I can't believe I'm defending this turd. I'm really not. Trump may destroy democracy in America...which would be a horrible thing. But that still pales in comparison to the destruction of Hitler.
 
Trump doesn't have enough personality or drive or passion to be the next Hitler.

He's pure Id. There's no person there just a persona.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Trump doesn't have enough personality or drive or passion to be the next Hitler.

He's pure Id. There's no person there just a persona.
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Yep. That's just how I see it. Trump is too self centered to have a grand plan and carry it out. I think his tantrum over the infrastructure meeting was as much about his unwillingness to work on an infrastructure plan. Something I think Trump would like to see happen. But to do that would require actual work.

Everything he does is about him and has nothing to do with helping others. It never has been about anything or anyone but him.
 
acbytesla said:
No, I don't buy that. i grant you that Trump is oblivious to other's suffering and even lacks a conscience. Trump cares about one thing, himself. He's overly susceptible to complements and criticism. But no way does he rage with hate the way Hitler did. Trump loves attention and is bigoted. You could say he is a racist, but Its racist with a small "r". Hitler proactively wanted purge Germany of anyone who wasn't part of the Aryan race.

I can't believe I'm defending this turd. I'm really not. Trump may destroy democracy in America...which would be a horrible thing. But that still pales in comparison to the destruction of Hitler.
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JoeMorgue said:
Trump doesn't have enough personality or drive or passion to be the next Hitler.

He's pure Id. There's no person there just a persona.
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acbytesla said:
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Yep. That's just how I see it. Trump is too self centered to have a grand plan and carry it out. I think his tantrum over the infrastructure meeting was as much about his unwillingness to work on an infrastructure plan. Something I think Trump would like to see happen. But to do that would require actual work.

Everything he does is about him and has nothing to do with helping others. It never has been about anything or anyone but him.
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I agree with you all.

I suppose my comment was more along the lines that Trump would not baulk at a bout of Hitlerish behaviour if it paid off for him personally. Just that the occasion hasn't really arisen yet, or other factors have prevented it. He would also not baulk at stealing, lying, cheating and any other anti-social behaviour either if it paid off for him personally. He is entirely amoral.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I agree with you all.

I suppose my comment was more along the lines that Trump would not baulk at a bout of Hitlerish behaviour if it paid off for him personally. Just that the occasion hasn't really arisen yet, or other factors have prevented it. He would also not baulk at stealing, lying, cheating and any other anti-social behaviour either if it paid off for him personally. He is entirely amoral.
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I wouldn't put anything past him. But Trump has no plan, other than enriching himself and being the object of servility.
 
acbytesla said:
Do I think McConnell is awful? Yes I do. I'm not defending him. There is no excuse for his anti-democratic actions. I grant you that there had been a long history of anti-semitism raging in Europe for centuries. But it's impossible for me to compare the inhumanity of Hitler and the NAZIs to anything McConnell and Trump have done so far.
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You do recall we literally have concentration camps now, right?
 
acbytesla said:
Don't get me wrong. Totally atrocious. But we also had them during WWII. And they still didn't compare to what happened in Germany in the 30s and 40s.
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Yet we're comparing them. Tell me, which one was it again that had a policy of forced family separations, the way we do now?
 
acbytesla said:
Do I think McConnell is awful? Yes I do. I'm not defending him. There is no excuse for his anti-democratic actions. I grant you that there had been a long history of anti-semitism raging in Europe for centuries. But it's impossible for me to compare the inhumanity of Hitler and the NAZIs to anything McConnell and Trump have done so far.
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The question is not what have they done so far. The question is what would they do if they could? And what will they do if they can?
 
Comparison isn't the same as equation.

McConnell is GOP apparatchik who sees Democracy as the obstacle to success ... much like the leaders of the NSDAP did.

There is no question that, left unopposed, McConnell would undo free elections and the separation of power.
 
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Trump has given Barr unlimited power to investigate his "enemies" - another article in the Nixon Impeachment which for some reason is perfectly acceptable today.
 
Bob001 said:
If this thug called for his base to grab their guns and "Save America!," does anyone doubt that they would?
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I doubt they would. These people are not fundamentally interested in cooperating. Plus they're probably a bunch of scaredy-cats.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump has given Barr unlimited power to investigate his "enemies" - another article in the Nixon Impeachment which for some reason is perfectly acceptable today.
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I don't think Barr has the guts to do more than he has so far. Of course, I could be wrong.
 
Minoosh said:
I don't think Barr has the guts to do more than he has so far. Of course, I could be wrong.
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I believe you are wrong. Barr is garbage and is willing to break any law he thinks he can get away with for Trump's advantage.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I agree with you all.

I suppose my comment was more along the lines that Trump would not baulk at a bout of Hitlerish behaviour if it paid off for him personally. Just that the occasion hasn't really arisen yet, or other factors have prevented it. He would also not baulk at stealing, lying, cheating and any other anti-social behaviour either if it paid off for him personally. He is entirely amoral.
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He already has. He's stolen from his foundation to pay for personal items, he's lied to the American people on a pathological level, he's cheated on all his wives and at golf according to some who have played with him. And if his taxes are ever revealed, I suspect we'll discover he's cheated on them, too. Yes, he is entirely amoral. I think he is capable of almost anything if it benefited him and he thought he could get away with it. And, sadly, he has so far.
 
Bob001 said:
Nobody seems to care that Trump has called for the death penalty -- in effect -- for James Comey and Andrew McCabe.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/trump-james-comey-treason-lol.html
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Among others. With that said, it's not that no one cares. NBC News, for example, still has an article up addressing it. The "left," of course, hasn't forgotten or forgiven that.


Bob001 said:
If this thug called for his base to grab their guns and "Save America!," does anyone doubt that they would?
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Some of them would, yes. The ones that have been itching to fight in another Civil War. I'm pretty sure that we're not quite to the point where that number is more than a very small minority, though. They could certainly do a lot of damage, of course, though, and likely rip the Republican Party to shreds in the process.

Minoosh said:
I don't think Barr has the guts to do more than he has so far. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Hard to say, with Barr. If he thinks that he can get away with it, chances are very good that he will do more than he is now, though. He's not even remotely a respectable or nonpartisan agent, after all.
 
Minoosh said:
I don't think Barr has the guts to do more than he has so far. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Barr has a history of misquoting sources to support his side and undermine his opposition. Even harmless information could be weaponized for 2020 in his hands.
 
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