The Roe Countdown

[The Atheist]

And all this is with a doubly illegitimate Supreme Court. (Not only is there no excuse for the Kavenaugh thing, but the opening only still existed because of flagrant dereliction of duty by the Senate Republicans over Obama's last appointment.)

Sadly, while you might think it's illegitimate, it is the makeup of SCOTUS.

I reckon right now, the Dems' best hope of preserving any kind of future is to concentrate on winning the Senate, because even the indestructible RBG can't last until 2024.

Or, they could simply stop using abortion as a method of birth control.

Chris B.

Yeah, those chicks getting raped should be on the damned pill. Serves them right, really.

 

[fuelair]

IF this law proves enforceable, I predict Alabama is in for a rough road over the next decades.

First, the welfare system will be inundated with single women who are pregnant -many of them teenagers who will drop out of school.

Illegal abortion attempts will proliferate -everything from the proverbial coat hangers to poisons to scalding bathwater will be employed; much of it completely unsuccessful or causing horrific injuries or both.

Then in five years or so the educational system will be inundated with new enrollees, many of them uncared for and unwanted. I realize this is already a problem, but I believe this law will only make it worse as the uptick in the birth rate is mostly going to be among those who are least equipped for it.

Once the kids are of working age and welfare stops the crime rates will start to skyrocket, as those dropouts who are unable to find work will turn to theft and selling drugs to survive.

In fifteen years or so the first round of babies will be having babies. They will continue the cycle of poverty by dropping out of school and burdening the social services just as the earlier generation before them.

Those who have always known they were unloved and unwanted will be suffering the aftermath; mental health services, the courts and the jails will be seeing a huge upsurge in the numbers of cases involving mental and emotional damage.

In other words Alabama and any acting as it is will again be thought of as a place to avoid or get out of due to it's ignorance and the kind of stupidity it was famous for before Roe v Wade and the partial halts of racist activity of the 1960's. Headed back to the same sewer now - unless the more intelligent can outweigh the ignorant by choice and stop the stupidity.

 

[fuelair]

And all this is with a doubly illegitimate Supreme Court. (Not only is there no excuse for the Kavenaugh thing, but the opening only still existed because of flagrant dereliction of duty by the Senate Republicans over Obama's last appointment.)

Technically it was not dereliction of duty, it was blatant refusal to follow proper and customary procedure to prevent a decent judge from being placed as normally would have happened. I will not be troubled at the loss of any conservative Supreme Court member to make up for that. Those have no honor.

 

[fuelair]

And all this is with a doubly illegitimate Supreme Court. (Not only is there no excuse for the Kavenaugh thing, but the opening only still existed because of flagrant dereliction of duty by the Senate Republicans over Obama's last appointment.)

And only one of the many reasons I loathe republickers.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Been hearing this for decades. Meanwhile Justin Trudeau is prancing around mosques in rainbow socks.

We're supposed to take you seriously when you talk of histrionics?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

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Yeah, those chicks getting raped should be on the damned pill. Serves them right, really.

I'm glad to see you get on board with President Trump. Better late than never I suppose.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-alabama-abortion-law-rape-incest-life-danger

Chris B.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Or, they could simply stop using abortion as a method of birth control.

Chris B.

This would be an easier goal if those who oppose abortion are also not against all forms of birth control. However, these laws are entirely aimed at women who are already pregnant, when birth control to prevent conception has already obviously failed.

 

[qayak]

Been hearing this for decades. Meanwhile Justin Trudeau is prancing around mosques in rainbow socks.

And he's still 10 times the leader ol' Grab Em By the Pussy Trump is not to mention 100 times the man that conservative douchebag Sheer is.

 

[PhantomWolf]

I don't know what you're all complaining about, the Republicans made it quite clear that abortion will stay perfectly legal in Alabama, right up to the moment that the woman learns she is pregnant!

 

[The Atheist]

Pretty good piece on the subject here, by a retired US Judge: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/21/trump-abortion-roe-v-wade-supreme-court-judges

Don't rely on precedent.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

If you think abortion is commonly used as a "method of birth control" you are severely deluded.

Well in strict legal terms now some laws declare contraceptives to be abortofacients. This is one of the most insidious bits of civil precedent (Hobby Lobby case) worming its way into statutory law, and criminal law at that.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Well in strict legal terms now some laws declare contraceptives to be abortofacients. This is one of the most insidious bits of civil precedent (Hobby Lobby case) worming its way into statutory law, and criminal law at that.

It's all about control over female sexuality. It's no different than the days when women were considered chattels. In the past a woman's sexuality was owned by her father and brothers, who protected it until she was given to her husband. Now conservatives are still trying to keep that control, but instead of being so blatant about it, they are doing it with laws banning abortions and restricting birth control, thus making pregnancy a punishment for women that have sex outside of marriage, and in doing so pushing women towards not doing so. It's all about their control over women, pure and simple. Heck, one of the Georgia bill's writers even stated that the law would not cover zygotes in fertility labs because they weren't inside a woman!

 

[Baylor]

Pretty good piece on the subject here, by a retired US Judge: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/21/trump-abortion-roe-v-wade-supreme-court-judges

Don't rely on precedent.

That's not a good piece. That's a horrible piece. The author assumes psychic powers and says what Trump "believes." Try not to be such a sucker.

 

[Baylor]

And he's still 10 times the leader ol' Grab Em By the Pussy Trump is not to mention 100 times the man that conservative douchebag Sheer is.

I disagree.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

That's not a good piece. That's a horrible piece. The author assumes psychic powers and says what Trump "believes." Try not to be such a sucker.

One admittedly presumptive take on a motive (albeit one that has a mountain of evidence to support it).

That's it. That's all it takes for unrepentant regressives to make it all go away.

You could have just saved us all the bother and said "FAKE NEWS!"

ETA: It's the last sentence of the first paragraph, of course it takes an oversized bite. That's how oratory works. But the real principle on display here is any 10 words shoved together where an author words their opinions very forcefully means nothing in the entire article counts at all, the piece is a sham, the author is a fraud, and all other authors referencing the same data in the future will be equally suspect.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Confession. On a purely cynical, political level leaving Roe V Wade "technically" in place but gutting it as much as possible is a much better strategy for the Republicans.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Confession. On a purely cynical, political level leaving Roe V Wade "technically" in place but gutting it as much as possible is a much better strategy for the Republicans.

It worked so well with the Voting Rights Act.

Also the Affordable Care Act.

They seem to like gutting the enforcement mechanism so the law is still on the books, its just that literally no punishment can be used to make anyone conform to it.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Confession. On a purely cynical, political level leaving Roe V Wade "technically" in place but gutting it as much as possible is a much better strategy for the Republicans.

that was the strategy, but just like the MAGA crowd can tell the difference between a physical wall and a fence in some places, Evangelicals think that God can tell the difference between an overturn of Roe or just neutering it.

 

[cosmicaug]

That's not a good piece. That's a horrible piece. The author assumes psychic powers and says what Trump "believes." Try not to be such a sucker.

One admittedly presumptive take on a motive (albeit one that has a mountain of evidence to support it).

Enough evidence, in fact, that it would be almost perverse to believe that, as people who are not mind readers, we simply cannot know if he is taking certain positions (including going hardline on abortion) to pander to an evangelical base.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Enough evidence, in fact, that it would be almost perverse to believe that, as people who are not mind readers, we simply cannot know if he is taking certain positions (including going hardline on abortion) to pander to an evangelical base.

luckily, Trump supporters have no trouble reading the minds of Clinton, Soros and Pelosi...